the frayed ends of sanity

my image is really good at this point. first guy is 20/12 tag, second guy is 19/15, and 3-bets a bit too much imo.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

UTG ($125.06)
MP ($259.90)
Hero ($109.90)
SB ($105.10)
BB ($149.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8 , 7 .
UTG raises to $4, MP raises to $12, Hero raises to $32

is it ever ok to do this?

Wow you're playing with fire.
It is not like Mr. 3bet reraised from the BTN or blinds there. Still plenty of players left to act, so it increases the chance he might have a real hand. UTG raises are usually not with crap either.

Are you just ticked off because you want to play 78s on the button, but not for a raise and re-raise? Or are trying to destroy your image?

i dont get it

c'mon, give money to charity instead

Originally Posted by Silly String

Wow you're playing with fire.

Yah.. I agree with this lol

If this was CO raise, BTN re-raise, and you 3-bet from the BB with 78s, that might be ok. But the UTG raiser is pretty nitty at 20/12, so he definitely has something here.

fold to a shove

figure out the % he reraises light and the % he shoves over your 4 bet and its easy to figure out whats the bes tplay

utg's position stats suck btw, but i didn't know that at the time so it's not really relevent! it'd be so sweet if this was a stat on pahud. anyway...

I'm undecided on this, it looks super strong so I think they can only shove aa/kk, and the co 3 bets enough that aa/kk is only a small percentage of his range, so i think i should get away with it.

I guess I better go do what gabe said.

I posted this hand from the mps pov with QQ:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0#Post10777886

easy fold was the first reply.

Originally Posted by gabe

figure out the % he reraises light and the % he shoves over your 4 bet and its easy to figure out whats the bes tplay

Or find a way to see his hole cards. Lol you make it sound so easy gaibez.

this is spewtastic. It will never work enough to be profitable. Just fold

Originally Posted by phantom_lord

I posted this hand from the mps pov with QQ:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...0#Post10777886

easy fold was the first reply.

You left out one of the most important parts: MP has been 3 betting light.

Originally Posted by phantom_lord

utg's position stats suck btw, but i didn't know that at the time so it's not really relevent! it'd be so sweet if this was a stat on pahud. anyway...

i think someone from 2p2 is working on this.

Originally Posted by gabe

figure out the % he reraises light and the % he shoves over your 4 bet and its easy to figure out whats the bes tplay

The first raisers range is something like:

AA,KK,QQ,JJ,1010,99,88,77,66,55,44,33,22 13x6=78 -6 combos, as i have 87s

ak,aq,aj,a10,,kq,kj,qj 7x12=84

aks,aqs,ajs,a10s,kqs, kjs,kts,qjs 8x4=32




188

12 of kk/aa


188/12=15.66


6.38%

so he shoves everytime he has aa/kk, which is 6.38% of the time he raises.


co's 3betting range I put together as:

AA, KK, QQ, JJ, 1010 = 30

Aks, aqs, = 8

ako, aqo, = 24

87s, 67s, = 7


69/12


17%

so he shoves everytime he has aa/kk, which is 17% of the time he 3bets.

6.28% of 17%=15.98

16+6.38=22.98%

this is the % of the time either one shoves.

so...

77.02% of the time I win 17.5, and 22.98% of the time I lose 32?


.7702(17.5)-.2298(32)=

13.47-7.35=$6.12

ok?

Ni Han sir. Probably could just re-raise to $30 to get the same result.

Great example of why context is EVERYTHING in NLHE.

great thread title