A hand vs dsaxton

Villain in this hand is FTR member dsaxton, who is one of the better players in the game and is a regular at 1/2 and 2/4. 2/4 now exclusively I think?

Anyway, his stats are 19/12/2, and his call from the BB means something here the vast majority of the time I think. He is on several of my tables and has generally tried staying out of my way and hasn't played back at me a whole lot. Maybe this makes my turn raise stupid? I made it because I feel he 3-bets QQ+ back at me preflop, he folds any jack, 33 is very unlikely, which leaves very few hands that I feel he can call or push over this raise with. If I remember correctly, the raise size was such that I could make an all-in bet on the river for about 2/3 pot (could be wrong, going from memory here). I would play a huge hand like this more times then not I think.

At the time, I thought he had something like 99/TT but I really didn't know and I still don't.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

BB ($379.50)
UTG ($255.65)
MP ($826.80)
Hero ($2111.90)
Button ($533.10)
SB ($1150.05)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q, A.
2 folds, Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($30) 6, 3, J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB calls $20.

Turn: ($70) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $32, Hero raises to $125...

Final Pot: $227

i check behind on that flop because he almost always has a pocket pair and will not usually fold

Originally Posted by gabe

i check behind on that flop because he almost always has a pocket pair and will not usually fold

Ehhh I disagree. If we put villain on a pocket pair betting the flop is highly +EV if we continue the bluff on the turn, especially given that Lukie does not often get out of line and is a very tight player. I would except Dsaxton to fold anything less than a monster when Lukie raises the turn or fires a second barrell.

I like it.

He's obviously trying to control the pot and is unsure whether he has the best hand.

Whenever I detect what I think is a "feeler bet" I like to launch some misinformation back at 'em whenever I can.

He would've probably bet a little more with a monster because he needs the pot to be 250+ dollars on the river so he can stack you. Also I imagine he'd lead the flop with a set a lot of the time.

why lead the flop with a set?

Originally Posted by bluey

why lead the flop with a set?

because lukie is tight and has a hand he'd reraise a flop bet with a lot, bloating the pot early.

I was raising ~15% of my hands on this table, probably 20%++ opening from the CO.

nice
dsaxton folds here without a monster or a good read your playing him.

What intrigues me s why you made it 125 here instead of 95/100 ish?
Do you overbet a monster like this here normally or look for a call of the raise?

its not an overbet

its a psr

I think vs a thinking player like dsaxton, who is certainly capable of taking this line w/a monster, I would prefer a smooth call on the turn, with the intention of taking the pot down on the river if he shows weakness, but of course folding to a substantial bet. Using this line would really represent TPTK/overpair I think from his perspective, and I definitely think dsax is capable of folding TPTK to river aggression.

Originally Posted by gabe

i check behind on that flop because he almost always has a pocket pair and will not usually fold

Fire 2 barrels > check flop > cbet & give up.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

nice
dsaxton folds here without a monster or a good read your playing him.

What intrigues me s why you made it 125 here instead of 95/100 ish?
Do you overbet a monster like this here normally or look for a call of the raise?

it's like a 3/4 pot raise that sets up a pretty callable all-in river bet. Seems pretty standard with a monster if we don't smooth call in position, no?

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Originally Posted by gabe

i check behind on that flop because he almost always has a pocket pair and will not usually fold

Fire 2 barrels > check flop > cbet & give up.

Lukie often cbets and gives up here.

He also mixes in the 2 barrell and the check flop, but probably in the wrong frequency.

Originally Posted by bdawg56kg

I think vs a thinking player like dsaxton, who is certainly capable of taking this line w/a monster, I would prefer a smooth call on the turn, with the intention of taking the pot down on the river if he shows weakness, but of course folding to a substantial bet. Using this line would really represent TPTK/overpair I think from his perspective, and I definitely think dsax is capable of folding TPTK to river aggression.

I don't like this very much because if I call the turn, I think it's much more likely he will c/c a river bet with a marginal 1 pair hand like 99/TT/AJ and the like. There's no implied threat on the next street since he will be closing the action.

calling the turn is horrible in my opinion, knowing dsax he probably calls with a lot on the river if played like that.

missed the pot size on the turn for the raise my mistake

I think this is a perfect example of using pressure points in a hand. Dsaxton has to decide if he wants to play for stacks with this turn bet. Without a read you're bullying a lot, he'll fold any non-boat hand (probably >90% of his range). Seems ++EV to me.

On the other hand, playing a monster like this doesn't seem that +EV as calling turn, 3/4 pot river.

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

I think this is a perfect example of using pressure points in a hand. Dsaxton has to decide if he wants to play for stacks with this turn bet. Without a read you're bullying a lot, he'll fold any non-boat hand (probably >90% of his range). Seems ++EV to me.

bingo

On the other hand, playing a monster like this doesn't seem that +EV as calling turn, 3/4 pot river.

I'd definately mix it up here, as I would try to with a lot of hands.

Since you are both nits and know it, Dsaxon is trapping you with a set that filled up on the turn, or possibly an overpair.l

Why would he donk that turn with a bad or mediocre hand? You both know neither of you have a 3 (33??) If he has a mid pair why would he bet less than 1/2 pot like that?

He is trying to feel whether you have a hand, sure - but that's because he wants you to stick some money in and win more than the minimum. He knows that if he (being a nit) c/r you (another nit) on the turn, you will drop anything worse than 2 pair.