He goes all-in, I have the nuts, but I'm not thrilled

Villian is a pretty tight tag. I haven't seen him get out of line at all. Preflop my standard play of course is to 3-bet but sometimes I like to call TAG raises in position with AK, just to disguise my hand a bit. On the turn, the best case scenario is that we are splitting. But a lot of times, I think that this overbet means that he's freerolling me. How deep do we have to be for me to consider folding this (I have a feeling it's something around twice as deep as we are now but I'm not really sure).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($197)
SB ($96.90)
BB ($200)
UTG ($307.75)
Hero ($284.95)
CO ($173.30)

Preflop: Hero is MP with K, A.
UTG raises to $7, Hero calls $7, 4 folds.

Flop: ($17) J, K, Q (2 players)
UTG bets $12, Hero calls $12.

Turn: ($41) T (2 players)
UTG bets $288.75 (All-In), Hero calls $265.95 (All-In).

River: ($572.90) 6 (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $572.90

calling 265 to win $20....if he's freerolling you 100% of the time it's an obvious fold.

I think there could be times he's just being psychotic and just has a fd+pr.

You're the math teacher, I'm sure you can figure it out a lot faster than I could.

I'm lazy though.

this is a stupid easy fold

Originally Posted by nutsinho

this is a call

we have about ~44% vs Axs that has a flush draw and need ~46% to call. So if he is free rolling 100% of the time, it's an absurdly tight fold (the kinds i do not like to make), but assuming there's a non-zero and non-trivial chance that he will occasionally shove a naked A or get stupid with some kind of combo draw that doesn't include an A (unlikely), it's a call.

i havent done math but lukie i think u r wrong

that is wrong fo sho son

just reran pokerstove and we should have about 40% here vs axdd/axhh. my bad.. not sure how I got 44% earlier.

this obviously makes a difference, but i'm about to go to sleep. it's probably a tight fold vs a nitty tagg but i'd probably call anyway.

ok need to call $266 on the end, will have $229 equity vs Ax+flushdraw and $287 vs naked A.

-37 when he has it
+21 just the A
+ $$$$$ when he shoves something else, probably near 0% for most regs

yeah it's a fold

I think its a really good play to occasionally shove a naked red ace in his spot. however, youre not gonna see that play much at 1/2 but you will find heaps of players who know the old shove-your-freeroll play. if this guy seems to play remotely sanely otherwise this is always a snapfold for me

by freerolling do you mean shoving with the nuts but has a possibility of outdrawing you with the FD?

Such a sick hand, having to fold the stone cold nuts :O

Originally Posted by will641

by freerolling do you mean shoving with the nuts but has a possibility of outdrawing you with the FD?

Yeah

If he does it with anything but A+flush draw say hello to Mr. Freemoney.

anyways, wasn't that the sexiest river card ever though

fwiw he had :Ah: :Ks:

I would like to point out the fact that since he was the PF aggressor and you were passive by coldcalling and played the flop passively he had a much better chance of winning this pot than you did with the exact same hand.

I guess he was "protecting."

EIther that, or repping the nuts + freeroll, understanding of course that most players are able to fold the nuts to an extreme overbet which would price them out against a freeroll type hand.

I can't fault his play though. On the river, a shove would be well warranted, might as well give it a try. His play blows though against a freeroll hand though, say you had Ace-King suited in diamonds.

Against offsuit ace, his play his good, against a red suited ax, his play is poor. It all comes down to reading the suits of your cards

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

I would like to point out the fact that since he was the PF aggressor and you were passive by coldcalling and played the flop passively he had a much better chance of winning this pot than you did with the exact same hand.

I know, like I said I usually (like 9/10) 3-bet this.

Originally Posted by Ash256

Originally Posted by will641

by freerolling do you mean shoving with the nuts but has a possibility of outdrawing you with the FD?

Yeah

cool, I just learnt something new.

Originally Posted by jackvance

Such a sick hand, having to fold the stone cold nuts :O

[ ] stone cold nuts


how've you been?? havn't seen you on in forever...

Since we're still talking about this, here's a hand I played a couple weeks ago. Similar, but not the same. UTG is a total fish. I was actually saying please don't have :Qh: :Jh: when I pushed. Freerolled for 2 buy-ins!!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

MP ($141.20)
Button ($98.50)
Hero ($186.40)
BB ($98.50)
UTG ($270.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q, J.
UTG raises to $3, 2 folds, Hero calls $2.50, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($9) A, T, K (3 players)
Hero bets $7, BB folds, UTG raises to $14, Hero raises to $30, UTG raises to $100, Hero raises to $206.4, UTG calls $83.40.

Turn: ($398.80) Q (2 players)

River: ($398.80) 4 (2 players)

Final Pot: $398.80

That's not really similar at all since there's so many other hands he's stacking off with that you beat.

Sorry, I just wanted to hijack your thread for my bad beat story now that the discussion has waned. Sympathy?

No sympathy!

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (9 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Button ($200)
SB ($253.30)
Hero ($203)
UTG ($66.45)
UTG+1 ($42)
MP1 ($194.45)
MP2 ($212.85)
MP3 ($205.50)
CO ($136.65)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, A.
1 fold, WiZO*DiO calls $2, 4 folds, Button raises to $10, 1 fold, Hero raises to $32, Button calls $22.

Flop: ($67) Q, 3, 6 (3 players)
Hero bets $49, Button raises to $168, Hero calls $119.

Turn: ($403) J (3 players)

River: ($403) 7 (3 players)

Final Pot: $403

Results in white below:
Hero has Ac As (one pair, aces).
UTG+1 doesn't show.
Button has Ad Ah (flush, ace high).
Outcome: Button wins $403.

Yeah, I have 1 or 2 of those in my DB too. Albeit preflop pushes though.
AK vs AK is the real bitch when it comes to the 4 flush.

I fold too.