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    Default Help!...i think im spewing.

    Please pull these hands to bits and tell me how bad i am. Thx.

    Hand 1: hero is tag, 22/18/4 with a 9% 3bet. Is this just spew? The 7d was obv the best card ever...but should i be taking the free card here? I was torn.

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ikbenlam ($150.65)
    UTG+1 godfather_AA ($50.00)
    CO Hero ($52.10)
    BTN Mailfish42 ($14.20)
    SB mixmastered ($61.50)
    BB Rash_da_Don ($22.45)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is CO
    2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, mixmastered raises to $5.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

    Flop: ($11.50, 2 players)
    mixmastered bets $7, Hero calls $7

    Turn: ($25.50, 2 players)
    mixmastered checks, Hero bets $19, mixmastered raises to $38, Hero goes all-in $39.60, mixmastered calls $1.60


    Hand 2: Big Big 70/2 fish. Ive been isoing very light...and have only seen him bluff once, with a missed flush draw. This has to be a fold yeah? Spew?

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG MrNyNe ($54.45)
    UTG+1 LatesJ ($29.90)
    CO jes1157 ($92.50)
    BTN didila33 ($61.60)
    SB T.W.I.S.M.HH ($49.70)
    BB Hero ($93.80)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB
    2 folds, jes1157 calls $0.50, 1 fold, T.W.I.S.M.HH calls $0.25, Hero raises to $3, jes1157 calls $2.50, T.W.I.S.M.HH folds

    Flop: ($6.50, 2 players)
    Hero bets $5, jes1157 calls $5

    Turn: ($16.50, 2 players)
    Hero bets $12.50, jes1157 calls $12.50

    River: ($41.50, 2 players)
    Hero bets $23.50, jes1157 raises to $47, Hero..wtf



    Hand 3: Hero is tag, not seen anything out of the ordinary frm him, he got his stack with set over set.


    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG Hero ($98.15)
    UTG+1 TripTic ($26.95)
    CO betboi18 ($64.15)
    BTN Felinolog ($96.50)
    SB cuzinwins ($21.50)
    BB Lofvendahl ($30.25)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is UTG
    Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, Felinolog calls $2, 2 folds

    Flop: ($4.75, 2 players)
    Hero bets $3.50, Felinolog raises to $11, Hero calls $7.50

    Turn: ($26.75, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Felinolog bets $15, Hero calls $15

    River: ($56.75, 2 players)
    Hero checks, Felinolog bets $22.50, Hero folds correctttt?


    Hand 4: This one..i dunno. The last 5 times i've had AQs(against dif opps) on the bb facing a bttn raise ive 3 bet, and ive been 4 bet and had to let it go, so i jst said eff it.... they cant have it everytime. Anyone stack off with AQ pre? This is the same guy from the 35s hand.

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
    6 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG vaptman ($10.95)
    UTG+1 rulazaskepas ($55.00)
    CO quintanaboh ($51.00)
    BTN mixmastered ($50.75)
    SB KAMASUTRHA ($50.00)
    BB Hero ($50.05)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 6 players) Hero is BB
    3 folds, mixmastered raises to $2, 1 fold, Hero raises to $7, mixmastered raises to $16, Hero goes all-in $50.05, mixmastered calls $34.05



    Hand 5: This hand i wanted to try something diffent, and ended up confusing myself. I had no idea where i was at in the hand. Spew?

    $0.25/$0.5 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ArtPlay ($50.00)
    CO zerophax ($78.25)
    BTN norbreezy14 ($48.05)
    SB cali750i ($100.95)
    BB Hero ($50.75)

    Pre-flop: ($0.75, 5 players) Hero is BB
    ArtPlay raises to $2, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.50

    Flop: ($4.25, 2 players)
    Hero checks, ArtPlay bets $3, Hero raises to $10, ArtPlay calls $7

    Turn: ($24.25, 2 players)
    Hero bets $13, ArtPlay calls $13

    River: ($50.25, 2 players)
    Hero checks, ArtPlay goes all-in $25, Hero calls $25



    Also....can anyone see weird leaks in these stats?


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    hand 1: fold pf. You have no business calling here at all your equity is complete crap vs his 3 betting range.

    hand 2: hes passive and i know it sucks but you dont beat anything. fold

    hand 3: fold turn

    hand 4: I mean its ok. If he is good and will adjust hes gonna be 3 betting all the time once he sees you call with 35s. Your really gonna get fucked over once you show him your calling with that. He definantly could be 3 betting a wider value range including pairs broadways and other hands that he would fold to a shove. With this dynamic its OK but you really need to have a very aggro dynamic to be getting in AQs preflop.

    hand 5: don't raise the flop!!! your turning your hand into a bluff, what hands that you beat do you think are going to call that raise. Call and reevaluate the turn.


    From the hands posted it seems like maybe you need to stop trying to get tricky and go back to the basics of poker. Tighten up a little bit and work on your late position game, cbet and take pots down( your a2s stat is good) Give up to aggression and don't be a payoff wizard. Your won money at showdown really needs to be above 50%. You can also ramp up your 3 bet % a little more. Start off doing it in position and then move on to out of position. You should fold to 3 bets a lot more as well. 67 is too high.
    Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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    Hand 1: foldddd pre. fold > 4B bluff > call...lol @ u calling the flop.

    Hand 2: ouch, bad card on the river. call call suddenly raise i found out the hard way is almost never a bluff, especially from bad players

    hand 3: lol nice turn call :P.

    hand 4: Rarelyyy would I 5bet shove for AQs for value. The dynamics would have to be just right and the opponent would need to think im some kinda agro spew monkey. Usually cuz of a past hand him and I have played rather than just a table. If the table has been 4betting me and he has never and we dont have much history and he 4Bets I would let it go. But u guys do have history so meh.

    hand 5: Personally I would 3bet pre just to make it easier to play, specially OOP.

    Stats: 3B% is so lowwwww for a 21/18! I would defend my blinds a little more, mostly 3betting habitual stealers.
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    Also, I *think*, from wat I remember at least, a little tighter/taggier and more straight forward versus getting tricky is more profitable at .25/.50. Most opponents, even the regs, arent agressive enough where playing a straightforward TAG will be easily exploited. Just my opinion.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    1. yikes check the turn. betting accomplishes nothing but protecting against a probable 4-5 outer. pot control with such a weak made hand + good draw with 1 to come is far more important.

    2. fold

    3. frequently check flop as played c/f turn and fold river

    4. fine w.e

    5. dont c/r flop without a lot of history. as played probably c/f the river but shove>>c/c
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    What really pops out to me in your stats is that your W$SD is 46%.. whenever this is <50% I have found that's a very bad thing. Either you are running bad or calling down way too much, not sure which.

    hand 3: why does everyone say fold turn? You simply got the mathematical odds to call just on your straight draw (or almost)..

    hand 1+4: your reactions to getting 3bet.. I can't provide answers here since this tilts me a lot personally. I'm not sure (yet) how to profitably play against being 3bet, or how to really reason about it..

    If I'm say at a table with no obvious donk(s), just a bunch of TAGs and nits, it gets folded around a lot, so my natural reaction is to start raising more hands. Now if I start getting 3bet a lot, then I don't know what to do. Are they using a polarized range, or just widening their 3betting range substantially because they see me raise so much? Or are they just raising AK/JJ+ and getting some hands? (and should I tighten up in response to this?) Also I can't really get a read how they would play postflop in 3bet pots, since it inflates the pot so much, and it gets VERY expensive to see if they mean it when they cbet etc. Seeing as how the OP called a 3bet with 35s, he likely has some problems with this aswell, so maybe some of the more experienced players can provide some insight?..
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    WTSD & W$@SD are the only thing stats wise that stand out. How many hands is this over? if its a smallish sample then i would say your just running bad, but thats a low WTSD and your W$@SD should def. be over 50% with that low of a showdown %.
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    flattin ur 4bets, makin u tilt
    Quote Originally Posted by jackvance

    hand 3: why does everyone say fold turn? You simply got the mathematical odds to call just on your straight draw (or almost)..
    The fact is though that our pot odds are unfavorable. Plus we have 0 implied odds since we are out of position. The problem with this hand is that though we have a lot of equity, most villains' flop raising ranges on this flop will be 90% 2p+ and seldom semibluffs like AJ/KJ/KQ. As such our hand is pretty gay because we have reverse implied odds vs QJ and we're also tempted to call river bets when we hit trips. We should not be calling any bets on T or J rivers despite our hand improving because villain is not going to turn 98 on T rivers or bad two pairs on J rivers into bluffs; he will just hope you were calling with like AJ or 77 and show his hand down for free.
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    nuts' commentary is literally the nuts.
    Flopping quads and boats like its my job
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    thanx for the input dudes. What range do u suggest i flat to a 3 bet in position against a relatively wide 3 bettor.? Or should i not be flatting at all, at these stakes.

    And about the JJ hand. Why is c/ring the flop so bad? I gots an OverPair!
    But seriously..why. I dont understand my mistake here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AnTman_69
    thanx for the input dudes. What range do u suggest i flat to a 3 bet in position against a relatively wide 3 bettor.? Or should i not be flatting at all, at these stakes.

    And about the JJ hand. Why is c/ring the flop so bad? I gots an OverPair!
    But seriously..why. I dont understand my mistake here.

    I would rarely be flatting 3 bets. With pairs I would do it at times, AQs sometimes. Without villains 3 bet from blinds stat being over 10 I really wouldn't even mess with it except for slow playing big pairs occasionally. You can 4 bet bluff also and fold to a shove, or with the right dynamic 4 bet pairs and call off a stack.

    Check raising the flop in hand 2 is bad because what will call the c/r that you beat? You are repping a ton of strength on a dry board. Start thinking about their hand and not just the cards infront of you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nutsinho
    The fact is though that our pot odds are unfavorable. Plus we have 0 implied odds since we are out of position. The problem with this hand is that though we have a lot of equity, most villains' flop raising ranges on this flop will be 90% 2p+ and seldom semibluffs like AJ/KJ/KQ. As such our hand is pretty gay because we have reverse implied odds vs QJ and we're also tempted to call river bets when we hit trips. We should not be calling any bets on T or J rivers despite our hand improving because villain is not going to turn 98 on T rivers or bad two pairs on J rivers into bluffs; he will just hope you were calling with like AJ or 77 and show his hand down for free.
    Very solid reasoning, can't really argue with that besides note that I wish I could make such analyses on the fly.. btw if you have something to add about the 3betting questions (maybe they're quite general though) feel free to do so

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