Hmm...a great player can get away from this right?

K so I'm crushing 400 NL on Full Tilt going into this hand. Was up over 1k on 3 of the tables. Then this hand comes up and since I was on such a heater I just couldn't get myself to lay it down. I think the 'heaterness' of my session just didn't let me think clearly. Like 3 hands later I stacked off with KK to the same guy's set and finished the session even lol.

Villain is a SUPERNITTY nit nit nit although his stats at this table at 18/10. But I know he's not gonna donk away his stack deepstacked with an overpair. His cold-call of the shorty push should've set off alarm bells right? But can I just fold the flop there? If I just overcall the flop re-raise I can maybe get away from it on the turn. Arg...maybe i just want people to say 'standard', but i really really think a good player gets away from this hand because JJ, 99 are the only hands I can see villain calling my push with. So basically I'm bluffing with a set on a non 3-flush non-coordinated board. Pretty sick.

FullTiltPoker Game #1091603756: Table Simmons (6 max) - $2/$4 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:43:12 ET - 2006/10/11
Seat 1: Ravageur ($973.60)
Seat 2: bak2skool ($191.40)
Seat 3: Tskrill831 ($257)
Seat 4: FlyingStart ($406)
Seat 5: Vic3Roy ($774.60)
Seat 6: Flush U Out ($418.70)
bak2skool posts the small blind of $2
Tskrill831 posts the big blind of $4
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ravageur [6d 6h]
FlyingStart folds
Vic3Roy raises to $16
Flush U Out folds
Ravageur calls $16
bak2skool calls $14
Tskrill831 folds
*** FLOP *** [9d Js 6c]
bak2skool checks
Vic3Roy bets $24
Ravageur raises to $80
bak2skool raises to $175.40, and is all in
Vic3Roy calls $151.40
Ravageur has 15 seconds left to act
Ravageur raises to $957.60, and is all in
Vic3Roy calls $583.20, and is all in
Ravageur shows [6d 6h]
bak2skool shows [Kd Jc]
Vic3Roy shows [9s 9h]
Uncalled bet of $199 returned to Ravageur
*** TURN *** [9d Js 6c] [Jd]
*** RIVER *** [9d Js 6c Jd] [5c]
Ravageur shows a full house, Sixes full of Jacks
Vic3Roy shows a full house, Nines full of Jacks
Vic3Roy wins the side pot ($1,166.40) with a full house, Nines full of Jacks
bak2skool shows three of a kind, Jacks
Vic3Roy wins the main pot ($575.20) with a full house, Nines full of Jacks
bak2skool is sitting out
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $1,744.60 Main pot $578.20. Side pot $1,166.40. | Rake $3
Board: [9d Js 6c Jd 5c]
Seat 1: Ravageur (button) showed [6d 6h] and lost with a full house, Sixes full of Jacks
Seat 2: bak2skool (small blind) showed [Kd Jc] and lost with three of a kind, Jacks
Seat 3: Tskrill831 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: FlyingStart didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5: Vic3Roy showed [9s 9h] and won ($1,741.60) with a full house, Nines full of Jacks
Seat 6: Flush U Out didn't bet (folded)

It's sick , but I think with your read it's foldable.

Based on your description, villain would def push you out of the hand if he had AA here.

God poker is awesome, mainly for vomit-inducing moments like these.

i just vomited im my mouth reading that

Yeah, I think you need to find a way to fold this.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Yeah, I think you need to find a way to fold this.

??

i would call shorties flop push and try to get rest in on later streets.

villian calling the shortstack's push can easily be AJ and overpairs. you pushing the flop lets him get away from those. but its alot harder for him to do by just calling and betting turn and river.

Originally Posted by gabe

i would call shorties flop push and try to get rest in on later streets.

villian calling the shortstack's push can easily be AJ and overpairs. you pushing the flop lets him get away from those. but its alot harder for him to do by just calling and betting turn and river.

Villain in this hand is folding AJ on this board given the action so fast it's sick. When he calls the only possible hands he has are JJ, 99, QQ, KK and AA. I agree though that I should've just called the shorty push because he'll have more trouble getting away from an overpair on later streets possibly while only a set is calling the push. I think the best line is to call the flop, and see if I can get a cheap showdown. Unlikely....but again if this player wants to get all his chips in the middle, he's not doing it with one pair.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Yeah, I think you need to find a way to fold this.

How so? They're not even 200 BB deep.

Originally Posted by Ravageur

I think the best line is to call the flop, and see if I can get a cheap showdown.

no, you want to be getting the money in. the reason its bad on the flop is because its easy for him to get away from a push there, but the pot will be so big on turn he will have hard time folding overpairs to half pot bets

I have about 1K hands on Vic3Roy (hooray observed hands), and they support your read.

I'd still want to get all my chips in, but I think he only calls the flop push when you are crushed.