How do you Laggs do it?

Villain is unknown.
What do you guys do in these spots that are oh so frequent when playing loose aggressive??

This is more like Loose Passive, lol.
Easy raise on this flop right?

Do i fold anywhere in this spot?

I have no clue in these spots.

GAME #507793776: Texas Hold'em NL $1.00/$2.00 2007-03-22 00:40:12
Table Haderslev
Seat 1: kraziain ($140.60 in chips)
Seat 3: RapidDevil ($317.09 in chips)
Seat 5: Poiree ($265.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Fiskebullar ($370.75 in chips)
Seat 8: Juiceplus1 ($153.12 in chips)
Seat 10: JL37 ($200.00 in chips) DEALER
kraziain: Post SB $1.00
RapidDevil: Post BB $2.00
Juiceplus1: Post BB $3.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JL37 7 J
Poiree: Fold
Fiskebullar: Call $2.00
Juiceplus1: Check
JL37: Raise $12.00
kraziain: Call $11.00
RapidDevil: Fold
Fiskebullar: Fold
Juiceplus1: Fold
*** FLOP *** 2 4 7
kraziain: Bet $14.00
JL37: Call $14.00
*** TURN *** 6
kraziain: Bet $24.00
JL37: Call $24.00
*** RIVER *** A
kraziain: Bet $20.00
JL37: Call $20.00

I wouldn't raise the flop in a million years.

I like how you played it.

I give lots of consideration to folding the river though since this is Ad that hit top pair a whole lot.

Hmm. I might raise the turn but give up on the river if called.

looks fairly standard.

You cannot be ahead on this river. What, he has 2 paint, 55 or 33? 56d? More likely he has 88-JJ. If he was semi-bluffing, he cannot bet so small on the river, it's a block bet or maybe a value bet.

I think this is a block, and your hand is a little too weak to show down. I like a raise on th e river better than a call. I could see folding the turn, too.

I think raising this river would be suicidal unless villain is very capable of laying down a hand.

He has the Ad here like over 50% of the time imo.

If you raise, wtf can he put you on? A7?

I don't like how you played it. J7s is the nuts, i like how you raised the nuts pre, but why the passive line with the nuts? You have the nuts, you have to play it aggressively. Why would you fold the nuts? I like the calling the river with the nuts if it's for metagame.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

I think raising this river would be suicidal unless villain is very capable of laying down a hand.

Well, it's certainly high variance. And it would help if he can lay down TPNK to a big bet (assuming he does have an Ace)

He has the Ad here like over 50% of the time imo.

If you raise, wtf can he put you on? A7?

I just think that river bet is wierd. He must be afraid of SOMETHING to block bet like leaving 1/2 his stack behind. Maybe he thinks we're slowplaying set or straight.

Maybe you're right - I don't think he has an A because I think he would bet more on the river. But whatever he has, I think it beats J7 > pot odds (I guess this like 80% of the time)... so raise or fold.

I dont get it. He probably has 88-TT with a possibility of ATdd-AQdd....I really dont see what you're beating on river, but wouldnt call the turn either unless vs donkey.

On river, fold>raise>call

I raise flop probably- because we r beating draws and more importantly it allows us to bluff any QKA maybe T which falls giving us toooonnnsss of outs against when combined with our 5 real ones.

Use your position so he cant get to sd- and a raise will also tell us if he has a set which saves u money.

This is one of those perfect examples where raising "for information" lets you play your hand in the most profitable manner possible.

A) Why are we raising this preflop?
B) Why are we raising it 6x?

Not being snarky, really dont get it.

raise preflop to isolate idiots, the raise size is te size of the pot + 1 SB

ah nm didnt see the extra poster in there.

I'm still not sure I can see an argument for raising here. Sure theres a little dead money, and isolation is a good mantra and all.. but.. uhh J7? Wouldnt even J8 be infinitely easier to play?

Originally Posted by Genitruc

I wouldn't raise the flop in a million years.

I like how you played it.

I give lots of consideration to folding the river though since this is Ad that hit top pair a whole lot.

Raising the flop definitely has a lot of merit IMO. I don't like blindly calling down here since our hand is so vulnerable. I'd raise the flop to $45 ish, fold to a push. Usually he folds and when he has a better hand like A7/88 he is going to play it defensively after we raise him and can get a cheap showdown.

Originally Posted by aislephive

Originally Posted by Genitruc

I wouldn't raise the flop in a million years.

I like how you played it.

I give lots of consideration to folding the river though since this is Ad that hit top pair a whole lot.

Raising the flop definitely has a lot of merit IMO. I don't like blindly calling down here since our hand is so vulnerable. I'd raise the flop to $45 ish, fold to a push. Usually he folds and when he has a better hand like A7/88 he is going to play it defensively after we raise him and can get a cheap showdown.

good point

Originally Posted by aislephive

Originally Posted by Genitruc

I wouldn't raise the flop in a million years.

I like how you played it.

I give lots of consideration to folding the river though since this is Ad that hit top pair a whole lot.

Raising the flop definitely has a lot of merit IMO. I don't like blindly calling down here since our hand is so vulnerable. I'd raise the flop to $45 ish, fold to a push. Usually he folds and when he has a better hand like A7/88 he is going to play it defensively after we raise him and can get a cheap showdown.

I also raise this flop. For the reasons aislephive suggested, and also for balance, since I would also raise here sometimes with overs. It pisses me off when people don't check to the raiser!

I'd typically just call since I see big draws leading here in order to balance with sets. Therefore I usually see ppl checking blank turns to me when they miss (since they don't want to get bet off of their big draws).

If they 2 barrel a blank turn you're usually beat since they now likely think you're drawing and want to charge you.

I just hate raising the flop and folding to a push when villain's hand isn't made yet. Probably a leaky showdown-obsessed approach that I'll think about.

I think the river decision is the most interesting (i like calling flop and turn but i guess raising at some point is ok).

I think most people are discounting the number of times villain has 88-JJ here and would fold if we push river and may even fold Adxd. It would help if we had some pf stats on him. Anyway, this needs to be countered by the times he has 5d6d or 78s/79s etc and there's no value in raising. Basically, I can't put him on any 'big hand' by the river and his river bet certainly seems blockish (i doubt he's good enough for it to be a bluffinducer, although that doesn't mean he's always folding to a raise).

When I first saw the hand I thought 'meh standard call' but now I think raising the river could be pretty sexy.

Originally Posted by Ravageur

I think the river decision is the most interesting (i like calling flop and turn but i guess raising at some point is ok).

I think most people are discounting the number of times villain has 88-JJ here and would fold if we push river and may even fold Adxd. It would help if we had some pf stats on him. Anyway, this needs to be countered by the times he has 5d6d or 78s/79s etc and there's no value in raising. Basically, I can't put him on any 'big hand' by the river and his river bet certainly seems blockish (i doubt he's good enough for it to be a bluffinducer, although that doesn't mean he's always folding to a raise).

When I first saw the hand I thought 'meh standard call' but now I think raising the river could be pretty sexy.

This is kind of what I was thinking.
His bet makes him seem scared of that ace, so a nice raise here could definitely get him to fold his possible 88-JJ.