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    Default How many levels up are we?

    Villain has good stats at 26/21/3.3 and seems solid/good but we haven't played enough hands for me to have a good read on him. I'm not really sure what level he's on here and what level he expects me to be on which is what is making this difficult I guess.

    He should view me as something like 'solid TAG who is taking a shot'. I reraised him twice so far in the short time I've been playing at this table. He folded the first time. His fold to 3bet stat is 57%.

    $5/$10 No Limit Holdem
    5 players
    Converted at weaktight.com

    Stacks:
    UTG ($1120.25)
    CO ($1130.29)
    BTN ($1778.42)
    SB ($183.53)
    Hero ($1040.00)

    Pre-flop: ($15, 5 players) Hero is BB
    2 folds, BTN raises to $28.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $105, BTN calls $76.25

    Flop: ($215, 2 players)
    Hero bets $142, BTN raises to $284, $142 to Hero ($793)?
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    I don't play this high but if this was me I would assume you guys aren't a ton of levels up if he assumes your taking a shot. I find when I move up to new stakes the regs have no idea how I play so they play very standard vs me in the beggining before they get a feel of how I play. I would call this bet assuming hes trying to make a cheap bluff and hope he spew off more on later streets.
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    Cmon, don't you know yeti? Ofc you are shoving this, wtf? Level doesn't matter.
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    wa/wb here too but much shallower stacks so I like a shove for value. Why the big cbet?
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    hmmm I don't really like a shove here. Its not like he's raise calling off 88-JJ here is he?

    Why not just flat and let him hang himself? There aren't any draws even!
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    Don't shove, CIB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    hmmm I don't really like a shove here. Its not like he's raise calling off 88-JJ here is he?
    This is why I don't like shoving.

    I don't like calling because I feel it's the best way to make our range look stronger than it is. He'll only put money in on further streets when he has us beat.

    I don't like folding because if I'm folding KK here than I'm opening the door up to getting exploited hardcore.

    I mean the thing thats confusing me is he should pretty much be never raising this flop regardless of his hand so wtf is he doing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by zook
    Why the big cbet?
    I feel like 3 streets of small bets looks really strong on this board so I wanted to try and get money in faster. I think my flop bet is getting called a ton more than any turn or river bet so I want to extract as much as I can here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    hmmm I don't really like a shove here. Its not like he's raise calling off 88-JJ here is he?
    If he is minraising to induce a shove, then he is calling with his whole range. Are we going to fold our kings in this button battle? If not, then I think raising represents a weaker range than calling and is the best play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pocketfours
    Quote Originally Posted by griffey24
    hmmm I don't really like a shove here. Its not like he's raise calling off 88-JJ here is he?
    If he is minraising to induce a shove, then he is calling with his whole range. Are we going to fold our kings in this button battle? If not, then I think raising represents a weaker range than calling and is the best play.
    I don't disagree that raising represents a weaker range than calling. I think this is entirely true. BUT I think this is only relevant if villain can
    a) raise this flop light for value/as a bluff
    AND
    b) once we 3 bet, can come BACK over the top of us again light for value/as a bluff

    otherwise we're just raising and he's gonna fold most of his air a large portion of the time I feel like, and obviously still continue with Qx.

    I mean, this is all history/read dependent in general to be trying to induce this stuff by raising again.
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    Threebet pot with pretty polarized betting range = CIB.

    Calling is dumb because we have absolutely no medium strength hands to protect, only air. We don't have any stack room to c/r bluff the turn.
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