hyper's limit->NL conversion (pointless) rambling thread

[|~|ypermegachi]

well, i just finished my 1st mini-session. getting my feet wet. i played a single table of $100NL at prima (have a bonus to clear, and i think their NL cash is pretty soft last time i checked)

i started out with the highest pot and loosest flop to choose my table.

this is my 2nd hand dealt...standard?:

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is Button with J J
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4, SB folds, BB raises to $6, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Flop: J T 3 ($14.5, 2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $11, BB raises all-in $18.78, Hero calls.

Turn: 5 ($52.06, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $52.06)


River: 3 ($52.06, 1 player + 1 all-in - Main pot: $52.06)


Results:
Final pot: $52.06

then i ran card dead forever (session was 10/4 over short 70 hands). i ended the session with this hand....spewage?:

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG+1 with A 9
UTG folds, Hero raises to $3, CO calls, Button folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 2 8 2 ($12, 4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $6, CO folds, SB calls, BB folds.

Turn: 7 ($24, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, SB folds.
Uncalled bets: $10 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $24

i left after this hand since my table became the tightest in the list. i'm gonna head to the gym now. feel free to give me pointers or beginner threads to read. thanks.

[gabe]

first is fine. second is fine when you have reads on the other person.

[alias2211]

second hand that is a flop that a lot of mid PPs like to call on, since a cbet from two overs is likely. so i like the 2nd barrel on turn, since they really have to have more than a mid PP to call there. size of the bet could prob increase a bit, but since i don't know stack sizes in that hand it's hard for me to tell you a precise amt.

nhs.

[Warpe]

Read Renton's strat guides.

[|~|ypermegachi]

villain had about $230. i was going to fold to any type of aggression. everyone at the table was tight, so i assumed that any generic tactic vs a tight player would work...so a double cbet looked like a good idea.

i'm bored as hell right now in class, so i might as well post some goals for myself. i recently bought a used car (96 integra), and i see getting mods for the car a great opportunity to better my skills as a NL cash player, while paying off the "wants" while my part time job can take care of the "needs"

i can pay for these mods with my job, but there's no challenge in that and i won't become a better player.

i've decided a good scheme is that i'm only allowed half of my profits towards my car, or any other "wants" item. all bonuses go back into the bankroll.

ok....to ebay to get some figures so i have a $ goal.

(figures including shipping)
STAGE 1:
strut/tie bars $100
cold air intake + k&n $80
short shift + knob $45
glow gauge $45
pedals $20

STAGE 2:
pillar pod + air/fuel, oil pressure, water pressure gauges $140
car audio overhaul $500
car alarm $200

that roughes out to about $300 for stage 1 and $840 for stage 2, so total $1140.

you'll notice i don't have any external mods. i'm no ricer!!!! plus my car isn't a GSR so i'm not worthy to get that shit.

hmmm, should be an interesting goal. $2.2k in profits at 100NL. some of you probably make that much in a couple days at this limit, but hey i'm a n00b!

[midas06]

hyper, there's a v good thread at 2p2 in the small stakes nl forum about converting from lhe to nl

[andy-akb]

first is fine. second is fine when you have reads on the other person.

You are making a 1/2 pot cbet in a 4way pot in the second hand? I dont really know what better hands are folding on that turn really, on a board like this I typically just check/fold the flop. What type of opponents is a 2nd barrel good against?

[|~|ypermegachi]

hyper, there's a v good thread at 2p2 in the small stakes nl forum about converting from lhe to nl

i'm having trouble finding this....linky?

You are making a 1/2 pot cbet in a 4way pot in the second hand? I dont really know what better hands are folding on that turn really, on a board like this I typically just check/fold the flop. What type of opponents is a 2nd barrel good against?

i think this flop is perfect against tight players. it's very unlikely anyone else also hit, so they won't contest for it.

actually, what i'm more interested in is hand 1 if villain covered me. let's say he check-raises me for another $30....do i call? check-raises me all in? or, he bets the pot into me?

[andy-akb]

You are making a 1/2 pot cbet in a 4way pot in the second hand? I dont really know what better hands are folding on that turn really, on a board like this I typically just check/fold the flop. What type of opponents is a 2nd barrel good against?

i think this flop is perfect against tight players. it's very unlikely anyone else also hit, so they won't contest for it.

Right, I agree with you and cbet this HU. In a 4way pot I dont cbet this because you are almost always going to get called and if for some reason I am cbetting here I would definitely make it larger.

[|~|ypermegachi]

i think this flop is perfect against tight players. it's very unlikely anyone else also hit, so they won't contest for it.

Right, I agree with you and cbet this HU. In a 4way pot I dont cbet this because you are almost always going to get called and if for some reason I am cbetting here I would definitely make it larger.

on any other flop, i'd agree with you completely. however, on this particular flop, i think we can get away with the cbet enough for it to be profitable. remember, all of my opponents are tight players (all the loose players already busted out). so, it's highly unlikely for them to have a 2, and the rest of the hands that connect with the 8 are afraid because i'm playing like i have an overpair.

and another point which could probably be a thread on its own. you bet less when you want people to call, or bet more if you want them to fold. but against thinking players, wouldn't it be better to bet the small amount to make them think that you want them to call, so they fold instead? or maybe this 3rd level thinking isn't required at this level....

[andy-akb]

i think this flop is perfect against tight players. it's very unlikely anyone else also hit, so they won't contest for it.

Right, I agree with you and cbet this HU. In a 4way pot I dont cbet this because you are almost always going to get called and if for some reason I am cbetting here I would definitely make it larger.

on any other flop, i'd agree with you completely. however, on this particular flop, i think we can get away with the cbet enough for it to be profitable. remember, all of my opponents are tight players (all the loose players already busted out). so, it's highly unlikely for them to have a 2, and the rest of the hands that connect with the 8 are afraid because i'm playing like i have an overpair.

People do not immediate put yoou on an overpair, often they will put you on a complete bluff on a board like this thinking that it is incredibly unlikely to have hit you. Players are also going to look at that board, then look at their mid PP and call you. At 100nl you will not be at a table where every player is tight, if you somehow manage to be at a table like that, go to a different one. Also, if they are tight then what hands are they going to be calling a PFR with? In a 4way pot with all "tight" players do you really think none of them will have something that can call a bet here?

[/quote]
and another point which could probably be a thread on its own. you bet less when you want people to call, or bet more if you want them to fold. but against thinking players, wouldn't it be better to bet the small amount to make them think that you want them to call, so they fold instead? or maybe this 3rd level thinking isn't required at this level....[/quote]
Making a small bet trying to get someboyd to think it is a value bet and fold is called a post oak bluff and isnt something that I would really worry about, especially at these stakes. When most players only look at there cards, going into multilevel thinking is just finding fancy ways to give your money away to players who dont understand what you are doing. I make my bets essentially a standard size based on the board texture unless a read on an opponent makes me size them differently. If you change your bet sizing around for specific situations then you give away way too much information about your hand strength. The smart players you are trying to trick are going to be the ones that pick up on this and will use it against you.

[|~|ypermegachi]

hmmm...i see your point. maybe i just got incredibly lucky then . i left after this hand. there was a lot of preflop folding. some raises here and there, and no limping. never saw a river card for about 10 hands. kinda contradicts all that with 3 cold callers on my ass....haha...i actually prefer to make the same sized bets all the time regardless, but it seems like i'm losing value by making 1/2 the standard bet. should i be moving towards 2/3 or even 1/1?

[|~|ypermegachi]

hyper, there's a v good thread at 2p2 in the small stakes nl forum about converting from lhe to nl

i'm having trouble finding this....linky?

nevermind...it's in the super master sticky at the top of the forum.

[|~|ypermegachi]

here's my first difficult hand...

** Game ID 938681355 starting - 2006-09-14 12:51:53
** Alabama [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Mookie99 sitting in seat 1 with $33.70
- Sirpen81 sitting in seat 2 with $42.19
- hypermegachi sitting in seat 3 with $118.55
- Marzze sitting in seat 4 with $130.06
- GSTRING2 sitting in seat 5 with $108.25
- jasonh6288 sitting in seat 6 with $89.25 [Dealer]

Mookie99 posted the small blind - $0.50
Sirpen81 posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to hypermegachi: Jack of Clubs, King of Clubs
hypermegachi raised - $4.00
Marzze folded
GSTRING2 called - $4.00
jasonh6288 folded
Mookie99 folded
Sirpen81 folded

** Dealing the flop: 8 of Clubs, Queen of Hearts, Jack of Spades
hypermegachi bet - $6.00
GSTRING2 called - $6.00

** Dealing the turn: 6 of Clubs
hypermegachi checked
GSTRING2 bet - $8.00
hypermegachi called - $8.00

** Dealing the river: King of Diamonds
hypermegachi checked
GSTRING2 bet - $22.00
hypermegachi called - $22.00
GSTRING2 shows: 10 of Clubs, Ace of Clubs
hypermegachi mucks: Jack of Clubs, King of Clubs
GSTRING2 wins $78.50 from the main pot

End of game 938681355

i'm thinkin semi-bluffing that turn might have been a better idea. if i didn't hit 2 pair i woulda insta-folded the river. i'm quite lucky i didn't hit the club.

[gabe]

i think that turn is a good one to semibluff

[|~|ypermegachi]

here's my 1st gutsy play. is this out of line? any other card and i might consider letting the hand go. but i figured that this card would bring no help to the others, and if it did, any action afterwards results in a fold from me. 1 player was pretty solid 19/11, and the other was a LAP.

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: $98.60
UTG+1: $82.45
Hero: $100.70
Button: $65.50
SB: $129.25
BB: $53.15

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is CO with 8 8
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero raises to $4, Button calls, SB calls, 2 folds.

Flop: J 6 T ($14, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $9, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: T ($41, 3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $30, 2 folds.
Uncalled bets: $30 returned to Hero.

Results:
Final pot: $41

[|~|ypermegachi]

Prima Poker skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.50/$1
6 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $95.35
UTG+1: $110.40
CO: $106.05
Button: $157.80
SB: $34.09
BB: $113.07

Pre-flop: (6 players) Hero is UTG with 9 9
Hero raises to $4, UTG+1 calls, 3 folds, BB raises to $6, Hero calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: A 8 A ($20.5, 3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $15, UTG+1 calls, BB folds.

Turn: 2 ($50.5, 2 players)
Hero bets $30, UTG+1 calls.

River: K ($110.5, 2 players)
Hero is all-in $43.35, UTG+1 calls.

Results:
Final pot: $197.2

uh....so....how bad was this...like 3rd hand. villain was datamined as a 30/15