Quote Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
Quote Originally Posted by andy-akb
Quote Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
i think this flop is perfect against tight players. it's very unlikely anyone else also hit, so they won't contest for it.
Right, I agree with you and cbet this HU. In a 4way pot I dont cbet this because you are almost always going to get called and if for some reason I am cbetting here I would definitely make it larger.
on any other flop, i'd agree with you completely. however, on this particular flop, i think we can get away with the cbet enough for it to be profitable. remember, all of my opponents are tight players (all the loose players already busted out). so, it's highly unlikely for them to have a 2, and the rest of the hands that connect with the 8 are afraid because i'm playing like i have an overpair.
People do not immediate put yoou on an overpair, often they will put you on a complete bluff on a board like this thinking that it is incredibly unlikely to have hit you. Players are also going to look at that board, then look at their mid PP and call you. At 100nl you will not be at a table where every player is tight, if you somehow manage to be at a table like that, go to a different one. Also, if they are tight then what hands are they going to be calling a PFR with? In a 4way pot with all "tight" players do you really think none of them will have something that can call a bet here?

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and another point which could probably be a thread on its own. you bet less when you want people to call, or bet more if you want them to fold. but against thinking players, wouldn't it be better to bet the small amount to make them think that you want them to call, so they fold instead? or maybe this 3rd level thinking isn't required at this level....[/quote]
Making a small bet trying to get someboyd to think it is a value bet and fold is called a post oak bluff and isnt something that I would really worry about, especially at these stakes. When most players only look at there cards, going into multilevel thinking is just finding fancy ways to give your money away to players who dont understand what you are doing. I make my bets essentially a standard size based on the board texture unless a read on an opponent makes me size them differently. If you change your bet sizing around for specific situations then you give away way too much information about your hand strength. The smart players you are trying to trick are going to be the ones that pick up on this and will use it against you.