Ideal Stats

What would guys consider ideal stats for W$@SD%, W$WSF% and Went to SD%? Any thoughts about these categories are much appreciated.

kind of depends on the games

I hear that 52% W$@SD is ideal.

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I hear that 100% W$@SD is ideal.

fyp?

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

Originally Posted by grnydrowave2

I hear that 100% W$@SD is ideal.

fyp?

so true, all you need is a superuser account

For those of us without such accounts, I think having too high a W$@SD% usually means that you're folding the best hand too often.

UNEXPLOITABLE fnord

I think some guy @ 2p2 said unexploitable was 24/17 i believe.

Unexploitable isn't ideal though.

Those are some amazing stats Fnord, are they recent ones?
Do they have anything to do with the not full buyin strategy?

Originally Posted by Fnord

Oh okay we can play this game.

Meh I can do better than that.

Originally Posted by minSim

Those are some amazing stats Fnord, are they recent ones?
Do they have anything to do with the not full buyin strategy?

Yes

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by minSim

Those are some amazing stats Fnord, are they recent ones?
Do they have anything to do with the not full buyin strategy?

Yes

I'm interested, can I get your AIM or can you explain this or point me to the explanation?

was this last month? Your prob the biggest winner at 1/2 when you play.

No this is october.

k ur def the biggest winner no doubt.

is there a 20/17 strat post anywhere coz all i have are the typical stickies.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

k ur def the biggest winner no doubt.

i don't think i'm that good.

I like the 3 AF on the turn

100/100/100

pretty sure whenever both your flop win % and showdown win % are above 40 and the two of them together are close to 95ish then you're doing pretty "well" or running "normal"

oh and what sauce said

Originally Posted by sauce123

100/100/100

superusers are banned!

Can the 100%ers discuss realistic numbers please.

Originally Posted by kmind

Can the 100%ers discuss reality numbers please.

So like this guy raises to $10 from UTG with AA and I have 64 offsuit on the button with an effective stack size of $200. Are my implied odds high enough to call here? My image is hyper aggro and I've been raising most of his c-bets except when he catches a pair. LDO

Originally Posted by kmind

Can the 100%ers discuss realistic numbers please.

If your not super LAGGY you should run from 50% - 55%. It just depends on your style of play. You can run 45% and still be running fine if you play a certain style.

Originally Posted by Massimo

Originally Posted by kmind

Can the 100%ers discuss realistic numbers please.

If your not super LAGGY you should run from 50% - 55%. It just depends on your style of play. You can run 45% and still be running fine if you play a certain style.

By this he's talking about W$@SD%

Max u realize he asked about WTSD% and W$WSF

Thanks all so far. Anymore thoughts are still welcomed and encouraged.

Greater than 40% W$WSF is pretty solid.

WTSD% is usually between 22-28%

As long as you win big pots and lose small ones you are fine

Those are the only numbers you should care about

not really

kmind

serious answer is there is no answer only kinda vague guidelines.

W$WSF and be theoretically 35-55%
W$SD 40-55

these r all winning players im talking about

the thing is all of these r heavily dependent on the style of play of the competition as well as your preflop stats and style postflop.

generally i find that players with higher W$WSF then W$SD are the most successful, for instance if u could run 49/47 you are probably at least thinking about poker the right way.

Originally Posted by sauce123

kmind

serious answer is there is no answer only kinda vague guidelines.

W$WSF and be theoretically 35-55%
W$SD 40-55

these r all winning players im talking about

the thing is all of these r heavily dependent on the style of play of the competition as well as your preflop stats and style postflop.

generally i find that players with higher W$WSF then W$SD are the most successful, for instance if u could run 49/47 you are probably at least thinking about poker the right way.

ya check out fabian's vid on cardrunners; he talks about his strange but profitable stats

Thanks, wasn't trying to come off as an ass, just really curious because I obv. worded it wrong in my OP (100% is def. "ideal") but I just wanted to make sure on things.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Greater than 40% W$WSF is pretty solid.

WTSD% is usually between 22-28%

this sint true in non-US games tah tare still quite loose/calling station like.
£5% winning majority of big pots works cool.

Ok i play too tight then?

My stats are 17% VPIP and ~8.5% PFR. (W@SD is like 52%)
I play position (obv) but find at $25 NL a lot of players are raising before it gets to me in LP and i've been folding AJo/J-10o etc if someone has raised before me. Calling with PP, Suited connectors, AQ+, AJs+, A2s-A5s

I raise with good cards, Axs, A-10o+, PP, SC on the button/cut off, but still my stats seem a LOT lower than you guys.
Is this strat ok for $25 NL? When do i need to start losening up? What cards are ok to play after villain with no reads (multitabling lots) raises in MP?

Cheers,
Clar

You are pretty tight Clar, 17/8.5 is really tight, but it doesn't mean its necessarily bad as im assuming you play low stakes. I'd probably stop calling with Axs to raises and raise more hands in position, even like KTs, QJs, QTs, t8s, etc.

Though winning with your stats at 25nl shouldn't be too tough, i'd continue to try to focus on perfecting your preflop play though.

I started raising suited connectors from late position today with good effect, and i do raise QJs+ quite often.
Atm i have been laying down hands like AJo UTG, and ATo unless in late position, should these be raising hands?
And all the VPIP i'm losing out on i assume should be coming from CO/BTN? Like raising Ax on the button or Kxs?

I'll cut out Axs from my calling range pre, but i assume it's still safe to raise with it in late position? Thing is against 25 NL donks i don't want to play marginal hands like QTo from late position and be faced with TPMK after the flop. Is this just being a bit nitty?

How many tables can you guys play 25/15 at? I can cope with my stats at 4 tabling but i'm not sure i could with 6+! lol, although my monitor is only a 19" widescreen so the tables get too small for me at 6 tables.
If i memorise Sauce's hand ranges for 6-max will that give me the kind of VPIP/PFR you guys have?

Clar

Read sauce123's guide to beating games post UIGEA, it has a solid preflop strategy.

Clar, most 25NLers who make money are actually around or slightly tighter than your stats. I think as long as you are winning then you are doing fine. If you have great postflop game then yeah you can run higher but I suggest you kind of stick to where you are. I do suggest that your PFR increase to at least 10%. AJ and AT are folds for me UTG in almost all cases. Read Sauce's guide but keep in mind that this strat is more towards 100NL+.

I'm winning, but my BB/100 is only like 4 over 8k hands.

I've had some tough beats recently which has really affected my profit margin i think. Runner runner straight, all in to hit a 2outer on river etc.

I think my play is fine, it's just a big grind fest down at these limits to get up to $50NL...

Clar

I agree completely with you it's just a big grind fest. Tbh, most 50NL players and below really don't have a clue about game theory besides the most obvious stuff. My experience is that 100NL is the breakmark where you'll see that people usually showdown decent hands.

My experience is that from 100NL you'll need more than a mediocre to decent 1st level preflop and flop game. In general being less passive and grow some balls to bluff and snapcall a bit more does wonders.

For example, at 25NL and the worse 50NL sites I experienced that your implied odds with SC's and small PP's are big enough that open limping and limping behind limpers is more profitable than open raising and raising limpers.

Originally Posted by Clar17y

I'm winning, but my BB/100 is only like 4 over 8k hands.

that's fine! stealing more blinds will get your stats up, but don't stress it...