Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
JL, when you say "hide behind limpers," i agree. do this with all sorts of good, deceptive multiway hands and look for huge flops. but, dont open-limp these holdings (pp's and sc's). open them with your normal raise, but in later positions (CO+). and, when you opened for a raise, cbet them if the pot is HU.
Yeah, sorry if I wasnt clear earlier, but what you said is what I meant to say.
I always raise my low PPs and SCs if I am first in.
However, at $25NL (or any loose passive type of game—$25NL on stars is like $100NL on Ongame) it's better to limp behind other limpers with these hands.
I also agree that when it is HU, it is best to cbet most of the time.

The big problem I have found is that when there are one or two limpers and I raise it on the btn to 6xBB with 44 and I get called by a loose-passive who will call down with any pair.
It is a huge leak to be cbetting against this type of opponent too often.
Most of the players I play against are these type of passive players, and I was just spewing way too many chips away by c-betting way too often.

My winrate has drastically improved since I stopped this.

Now I just limp behind with these hands instead of isolating pre-flop, unless the table is playing tighter than normal, then I open up a lot more.