I'm getting raised off every single hand I play.

Every buton raise I'm making gets threebet
Every cbet I'm making gets c/r'd.

What the hell gives?

Tighten up and start to call them, they will be playing right into your hands.

I'm not exagerating. Every single hand that sees a flop is checkraised. Yet... they limp preflop.. and do all sorts of other terrible plays.. limp raises...

Originally Posted by Toadstool

Tighten up and start to call them, they will be playing right into your hands.

I guess this is it. But they'll fold to pushes because they inevitably have jack shit.. just tighten up and cbet less?

I guess, picking off c-bets by checkraise became new thend these days.

Such a frequent playbacks move pressure point of all hands. It can mean sick profits if villain don't have ballz to re-play for all their chips (and sick variance if they do).

If EVERY c-bet is called, then 2nd barrel becomes your new c-bet.
If EVERY c-bet is raised, then 3bet becomes your "new" c-bet.


I tried recently this tactic:
C-bet as usual
bet/3bet/fold more flops with air
bet/3bet/call more flops with overpairish hands

Opponents will either start to 4bet push crap (and amping value of decent one-pair hands, that promoted from folding hands to calling hands) or start to play trap poker (which gets you back your FE on flop and free cards on turn).

Its tough I was playing at a table a few minutes ago & this guy had a flop aggression factor of 10 over 40 hands - was basically raising all c-bets or leading into pfr.
So I already knew when I raised my first hand that he called that I might get raised, so I elected to check raise to combat it (Cheaper than re-raising with air was my theory - dont know if thats good or bad)
but then this happened...

Seat 1: TimboTiger21 ($62.20 in chips)
Seat 2: olot ($42 in chips)
Seat 3: den_nad ($16.15 in chips)
Seat 4: pechardi ($25.05 in chips)
Seat 5: aricontre ($28.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Noble007 ($26.80 in chips)
olot: posts small blind $0.10
den_nad: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Noble007 [Th Ac]
pechardi: folds
aricontre: calls $0.25
Noble007: raises $1 to $1.25
TimboTiger21: calls $1.25
olot: folds
den_nad: folds
aricontre: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h Jh 6d]
Noble007: checks
TimboTiger21: bets $1
Noble007: raises $2.25 to $3.25
TimboTiger21: raises $2.25 to $5.50
Noble007: folds

(At the time I didn't know if he would 3 bet the flop with air as well -albeit a min 3bet.)

So about 2 orbits later he calls one of my raises again.

Seat 1: TimboTiger21 ($71.75 in chips)
Seat 2: olot ($42.30 in chips)
Seat 3: den_nad ($13.60 in chips)
Seat 4: MAQAS ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: aricontre ($33.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Noble007 ($26.65 in chips)
Noble007: posts small blind $0.10
TimboTiger21: posts big blind $0.25
MAQAS: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Noble007 [9c 9s]
olot: folds
den_nad: folds
MAQAS: checks
aricontre: folds
Noble007: raises $1.25 to $1.50
TimboTiger21: calls $1.25
MAQAS: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 2c 6s]
Noble007: checks
TimboTiger21: bets $1
Noble007: raises $2 to $3
TimboTiger21: raises $2 to $5
Noble007: raises $20.15 to $25.15 and is all-in

Now I don't know if this is what you're supposed to do - Play back with a hand thats weaker than normal against their wide range or if this is actually playing into their hands?

most of the time this is just bad variance

Smaller opener ($1) will leave more room to apply pressure by 3betting flop without going AI.

Second pair may be not a good hand to play like this. When I said "good one pair hands go up in value" I meant AA, KK, maybe "top top" with AQ. Then, with aggro image you have big chances of getting a call from worse TP's. And that is what you want: full value from dominated hands (you will destack them).

When you add 3bet AI line with some good draws here and there, then opponents have more reasons to call full push with top pair shit kicker or even unimproved AK (happened to me several times).

It can be frustrating but as your opponants are becoming more aggressive the value of your hands goes up. You start to play tighter your general hand strength when your in a pot increases. combine these together and you wont have to give up every pot - I'd advise against reraising them unless the board is REALLY draw heavy as they will likely not have much of a hand themselves and the only way to make money in this case is too let them get too aggro and try to push you off your hand so calling becomes more profitable than raising.

Originally Posted by Massimo

most of the time this is just bad variance

I think i call too many 3bets preflop.

FLOP 3BETS ON DRY BOARDS ARE AIR!

and give up too easy on flop. But.. meh.

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

FLOP 3BETS ON DRY BOARDS ARE AIR!

Problem is more preflop than on the flop.

If your getting 3 bet a lot preflop - tighten up your calling requirements then either C/R or R/R their flop bet.

you raise 4xBB and they reraise you to 14BB 9 times in a row you have lost 36BB.

on the 10th time they reraise you as usual - you call and they lead for 22BB and you reraise - if they fold you have won 36BB, if they call - thats ok because you've probably got a big hand seeing as you have tightened up your calling requirements.

Most player dont realise if you have an extremely tight 3 bet call range and will fire the flop every time - take advantage of this.

Also just call preflop with AA/KK etc as you pretty much guaranteed 36BB as they will almost always lead the flop.

You can always position raise and continuation bet less. Making habitual position raises and continuation bets is a fairly exploitable strategy.

Originally Posted by Toadstool

If your getting 3 bet a lot preflop - tighten up your calling requirements then either C/R or R/R their flop bet.

you raise 4xBB and they reraise you to 14BB 9 times in a row you have lost 36BB.

on the 10th time they reraise you as usual - you call and they lead for 22BB and you reraise - if they fold you have won 36BB, if they call - thats ok because you've probably got a big hand seeing as you have tightened up your calling requirements.

Most player dont realise if you have an extremely tight 3 bet call range and will fire the flop every time - take advantage of this.

Also just call preflop with AA/KK etc as you pretty much guaranteed 36BB as they will almost always lead the flop.

Thank you for this. Its pretty much exactly what I needed to hear.

Originally Posted by noble007

Its tough I was playing at a table a few minutes ago & this guy had a flop aggression factor of 10 over 40 hands - was basically raising all c-bets or leading into pfr.
So I already knew when I raised my first hand that he called that I might get raised, so I elected to check raise to combat it (Cheaper than re-raising with air was my theory - dont know if thats good or bad)
but then this happened...

Seat 1: TimboTiger21 ($62.20 in chips)
Seat 2: olot ($42 in chips)
Seat 3: den_nad ($16.15 in chips)
Seat 4: pechardi ($25.05 in chips)
Seat 5: aricontre ($28.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Noble007 ($26.80 in chips)
olot: posts small blind $0.10
den_nad: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Noble007 [Th Ac]
pechardi: folds
aricontre: calls $0.25
Noble007: raises $1 to $1.25
TimboTiger21: calls $1.25
olot: folds
den_nad: folds
aricontre: folds
*** FLOP *** [6h Jh 6d]
Noble007: checks
TimboTiger21: bets $1
Noble007: raises $2.25 to $3.25
TimboTiger21: raises $2.25 to $5.50
Noble007: folds

(At the time I didn't know if he would 3 bet the flop with air as well -albeit a min 3bet.)

So about 2 orbits later he calls one of my raises again.

Seat 1: TimboTiger21 ($71.75 in chips)
Seat 2: olot ($42.30 in chips)
Seat 3: den_nad ($13.60 in chips)
Seat 4: MAQAS ($25 in chips)
Seat 5: aricontre ($33.90 in chips)
Seat 6: Noble007 ($26.65 in chips)
Noble007: posts small blind $0.10
TimboTiger21: posts big blind $0.25
MAQAS: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Noble007 [9c 9s]
olot: folds
den_nad: folds
MAQAS: checks
aricontre: folds
Noble007: raises $1.25 to $1.50
TimboTiger21: calls $1.25
MAQAS: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 2c 6s]
Noble007: checks
TimboTiger21: bets $1
Noble007: raises $2 to $3
TimboTiger21: raises $2 to $5
Noble007: raises $20.15 to $25.15 and is all-in

Now I don't know if this is what you're supposed to do - Play back with a hand thats weaker than normal against their wide range or if this is actually playing into their hands?

lol, added you to friends list.

I don't think he plays $10nl

@ AceisTrumps

Your still posting? I was hopeing you were banned already...

Anyway, trying to be nice here, most of your posts are just laughable. If you want to learn, take the advice here and understand it. Quit acting like you are the best player alive when it is clear to everyone here you are donking around at 10nl and probably a losing player there.

@ OP and back on topic here:

Take the above advice and I would consider simply moving tables if this is happening to every one of your bets.

Originally Posted by zook

Originally Posted by Massimo

most of the time this is just bad variance

QFT
Seriously don't make it loosen up your play.

Its all about adapting, I 3-bet and checkraise certain regulars a lot who are predictable and too slow adapt to table conditions(all they see is my nit stats on their HUD). take note of players who 3-bet with a high frequency and adapt by pushing a wider range especially OOP and perhaps calling and donk bettiing certain flop textures. Dont c-bet boards which look to have missed your hand range, take strong lines against players who float the flop frequently, try to shift your real decisions to fourth and fifth street.

Originally Posted by snowbird4life

@ AceisTrumps

Your still posting? I was hopeing you were banned already...

Anyway, trying to be nice here, most of your posts are just laughable. If you want to learn, take the advice here and understand it. Quit acting like you are the best player alive when it is clear to everyone here you are donking around at 10nl and probably a losing player there.

@ OP and back on topic here:

Take the above advice and I would consider simply moving tables if this is happening to every one of your bets.

Do me a favour in future, can you stay on topic? This thread isn't about you or me, its about the topic creators post, your hijacking of threads is very unbecoming.

Originally Posted by Ace isTrumps

Know whats reallly funny, you like everyone else here thinks you are good, lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllllllllllllllll

you obviously know nothing about any of us. i've never seen anyone here say they were God's gift to poker (with the exception of people like you).

Also Euph, remember that you only need to 4bet and get a fold 1 out of every 4 3bets to show a profit.

Like many have said, this is mostly variance. But I've noticed when this happens to me sometimes, it causes a form of tilt that throws me off my game. You do need to adjust as many have mentioned, but make sure you aren't adjusting by trying to play back in situations that are dangerous with weak holdings.

o yea euphoriscicm- ur pissed cause u cant put ur opponents on a range probably. so take awhile and figure out what kinds of hands they r making these crazy limp/cr shit plays with

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

FLOP 3BETS ON DRY BOARDS ARE AIR!

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to hlacheen [9c 9h]
movewillmoney checks
hlacheen raises to $20
Awful Fish calls $18
riverbaby11 folds
movewillmoney folds
*** FLOP *** [Qc 4h Qs]
Awful Fish checks
hlacheen bets $32
Awful Fish raises to $75
hlacheen raises to $175
Awful Fish folds