I'm rusty. Is this standard?

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***** Hand History for Game 5391190741 *****
$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 24, 06:59:25 ET 2006
Table Jackpot #1301057 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: atruemale ( $612.97 )
Seat 6: KOHTOPA ( $124.10 )
Seat 2: lolYouFoldEZ ( $239.65 )
Seat 1: beefer777 ( $184 )
Seat 5: TheSwingerA ( $197 )
Seat 4: FireInThaHole ( $195 )
KOHTOPA posts small blind [$1].
beefer777 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to lolYouFoldEZ [ Qs Qd ]
lolYouFoldEZ raises [$8].
atruemale folds.
FireInThaHole folds.
TheSwingerA calls [$8].
KOHTOPA folds.
beefer777 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8d, 6h, 3c ]
lolYouFoldEZ bets [$14].
TheSwingerA calls [$14].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ks ]
lolYouFoldEZ checks.
TheSwingerA bets [$27].
lolYouFoldEZ calls [$27].
** Dealing River ** [ Jh ]
lolYouFoldEZ checks.
TheSwingerA bets [$62].
lolYouFoldEZ folds.

Hard to tell without reads. Against an unkown I would fold this too. There's not a whole lot a hands you beat on the river other than a complete bluff, 99-TT would probably check behind.

u underrepped your hand so I think I call. calling is prob neutral ev but you get the benefit of info.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

u underrepped your hand so I think I call. calling is prob neutral ev but you get the benefit of info.

so you think I should bet the turn?

yea, lead the turn

Originally Posted by Renton

yea, lead the turn

why? Pretty dry flop.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

u underrepped your hand so I think I call. calling is prob neutral ev but you get the benefit of info.

agree

Deffo lead the turn.

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Originally Posted by Renton

yea, lead the turn

why? Pretty dry flop.

irish,

I play this the same vs. an unknown

I don't necessarily lead turn.

I just call river (as played) since I doubt villain puts me on qq

I also like 1/2 pot blocking bet on river... fold to raise obv.

i bet turn more than not just so i dont get in the situation you ended up in. i call as played though.

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Originally Posted by Renton

yea, lead the turn

why? Pretty dry flop.

Basically so you don't get in this position. if you're gonna check call, why not just lead, anyone with half a brain will take this off you if you check turn and river, you've semi telegraphed your hand.

If he calls the turn than you can check/ put in a blocker bet on the river and fold to a reraise.

Obviously easier if you had some reads on the guy.

If I lead the turn all that happens is that sets raise and hands that I beat, like 99, fold. When I check, sets miss a bet and hands which I bet will take a stab.

Then I folded the river because I think marginal hands check behind in this spot.

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

Originally Posted by Genitruc

u underrepped your hand so I think I call. calling is prob neutral ev but you get the benefit of info.

so you think I should bet the turn?

Yeah, bet the turn if you're going to call a bet anyway.

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

If I lead the turn all that happens is that sets raise and hands that I beat, like 99, fold. When I check, sets miss a bet and hands which I bet will take a stab.

Then I folded the river because I think marginal hands check behind in this spot.

That's my reasoning too. I thought this was a standard line

Originally Posted by gabe

i bet turn more than not just so i dont get in the situation you ended up in. i call as played though.

I understand betting the turn makes life easy but I can't see why it's more +EV.

Originally Posted by phantom_lord

anyone with half a brain will take this off you if you check turn and river, you've semi telegraphed your hand.

I don't think this is true at all.

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Originally Posted by Irisheyes

If I lead the turn all that happens is that sets raise and hands that I beat, like 99, fold. When I check, sets miss a bet and hands which I bet will take a stab.

Then I folded the river because I think marginal hands check behind in this spot.

That's my reasoning too. I thought this was a standard line

Originally Posted by gabe

i bet turn more than not just so i dont get in the situation you ended up in. i call as played though.

I understand betting the turn makes life easy but I can't see why it's more +EV.

Originally Posted by phantom_lord

anyone with half a brain will take this off you if you check turn and river, you've semi telegraphed your hand.

I don't think this is true at all.

Yeah, you're right.

I think if you compare the mistake of causing him to not put any more $ in with the worst hand vs. the mistake of folding the best hand on the river, then you can see what's more +ev.

It doesn't all come down to whether betting causes all worse hands to fold or not, but if villains wouldn't bluff twice, then it's more +ev to c/c since u know where u stand after he bets again.

I think I'd call the river as played, looks like a set or nothing.

Originally Posted by johnny_fish

Originally Posted by gabe

i bet turn more than not just so i dont get in the situation you ended up in. i call as played though.

I understand betting the turn makes life easy but I can't see why it's more +EV.

avoiding tough situations is +ev in itself.. if you know checking here can cause you to make a big mistake later, than betting (even if it is -ev, which i doubt it is) overall is better.

easy call on river as played