Quote Originally Posted by mcatdog
I just shove this flop every time I want to raise, whether I have a draw or a made hand, and so do lots of players. As much as I respect you as a player, I think it's ridiculous to say that shoving this flop is "playing it like a draw" and making a smaller raise is "playing it like a made hand." You have to have the draw some of the time when you shove this flop, or else people will figure you out pretty quickly and your sets won't get paid off by decent players.

If you want to play these retarded mind games with your opponents where maybe if you raise smaller they'll put you on the made hand and raise bigger and they'll put you on the draw, or maybe they know that you're thinking that so you think on the 3rd level and shove with the draws and raise smaller with the made hands, and so on and so forth, be my guest. I'm not good at figuring out whether my opponent is thinking on the 2nd level or the 3rd level so I just keep it simple. If people habitually call me here with QQ/KK/AA because "I played my hand like a draw" they are probably making a horrible mistake. I can't speak for Lukie because I don't know what his exact range is in a spot like this but from what I know about him I'm assuming the same is true.
Wow...I am not being ridiculous or playing retarded mind games. Its simply playing your sets and when you want to raise draws the same. Do you overbet all your sets that hard? If so, you are losing lots of value. Sure, pat yourself on the back every once in a while when someone calls an overbet push but for the most part you're scaring away good action. If you make normal raises with made hands and draws you've just made your predictability unpredictable. Additionally, if he likes his hand that much, you can get away without having to draw to 8 outs.

I just think that this hand is not a good place to push.