Implied odds situation with small PP's.

This seems like a trivial question but I sometimes get myself into situations where I am not quite sure if I am either too nitty or too loose.

I usually raise any PP from any position, re-raise from the CO and Button and call standard raises in the blinds. So in one instance I raised 22 UTG, got a couple of callers, button raised, SB re-raised. Let’s assume the button and the SB have full stacks, do I always have to call here for implied odds even with people still to act behind me? Or is it better to ditch the hand?

I am asking as in this situation I folded but would have flopped a set and turned quads against QQ and KK. I know hindsight is a good thing but this has happened to me before with small PP’s.

Thank you for your input.

You raise and face a reraise and another reraise, right? It's pretty easy to put at least one of them on QQ+ and your implied odds are basically out the window, plus there's a possibility that the first reraiser will shove over, so dumping 22 is the best move here. This is why I don't watch flops after I've folded. Next hand please...

Originally Posted by Warpe

This is why I don't watch flops after I've folded. Next hand please...

But it's so hard not to and think of what could have been!!!

So at 25NL you raise to $1, btn raises to $3 (note this is just barely 10:1), SB raises to $10. How do you have implied odds here? $10 to win $50 (both their stacks) is 5:1.

Yeah I was not quite clear and I should have left out this particular example, it was just bugging me.

So what if I raise to $1 UTG, MP & CO call, Button raises to $4. Calling here with small PP's despite two players left to act after me should be OK assuming full stacks?

I'm at work at the moment and have not much spare time but I might have to dust off Sklansky's book at home to calculate my implied odds here unless someone already did this exercise at one stage.

most of the time if you raise pp's and get raised more than 3x you have to fold. A lot of the times when you get raised 3x you should fold depending on stacks.
At 25NL I didn't raise pp's from all positions and I think it's a lot better that way. People just aren't folding to cbets enough, and they don't realize that pp's are the only things you are limping.

As far as I know the answer is no because the others players still to act could re-raise?

Also at the higher limits it is optimal to raise any pp from any position but I have seen on a couple of cardrunners videos that they will limp pps <9 utg & utg+1 when they come down to .25 & .5 as there is less need to "disguise your hand." & it is more profitable to play them at .25 this way don't know if that's true though.

At an aggressive table I limp small pockets from early position, since I don't want to be reraised off of them.

At a passive table I raise small pockets from early position, so that I can start building a pot for when I do hit my set.