Interesting 3-way 100NL hand

Not using Hud so no uber specific reads but both players don't seem to be too bad. I'm playing my usual 26/17/1.7 game.
I think I can make a case for folding/calling/raising here. Your opinions?

** Game ID 1425526912 starting - 2007-06-04 23:15:50
** Jos诨a [Hold 'em] (0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game) Real Money

- Ravageur sitting in seat 1 with $171.08
- RegretNot sitting in seat 2 with $132.00
- Sindreet sitting in seat 3 with $100.00
- kenthimself sitting in seat 4 with $291.17
- glosrfc sitting in seat 5 with $65.40 [Dealer]
- Jaysc sitting in seat 6 with $82.70

Jaysc posted the small blind - $0.50
Ravageur posted the big blind - $1.00
** Dealing card to Ravageur:
RegretNot raised - $3.50
Sindreet folded
kenthimself called - $3.50
glosrfc folded
Jaysc folded
Ravageur called - $3.50

** Dealing the flop: :Jd: :Qh:
Ravageur bet - $7.00
RegretNot called - $7.00
kenthimself called - $7.00

** Dealing the turn:
Ravageur checked
RegretNot bet - $22.00
kenthimself called - $22.00
Ravageur called - $22.00

** Dealing the river: :Kc:
Ravageur checked
RegretNot bet - $59.00
kenthimself called - $59.00
Ravageur ...?????

I don't think you can ever raise the river here against two opponents with no reads.

I also think you're smoked a lot in this spot, but pot odds warrent a call every time with so many straight and two-pair type of hands that could have hit. Call and win moneys more often than not.

why not keep betting on the turn?

edit...there might be value raising the river.
regretnot will be getting insane pot odds, and the other dude rarely will have a higher flush.
still seems kinda thin, since it means regretnot didn't raise the flop with a hand like 2pr-str8 that he's now betting that turn and river with.

maybe it's nitty but i agree with UG.

We need to bet the turn surely? Or at least raise after they bet?

I'm 6 tabling without Hud, so I wasn't sure how nitty either of them were. Given that, I thought the second cold call of my flop lead is a bigger flush draw enough of the time to check the turn to keep the pot smallish (until I had an idea of what was going on with these villains). I guess I could bet/fold to raise because worse hands aren't raising the turn but weaker ones are calling. If I had to play it again that might be the line I'd take.

As for the river, I was pretty sure that 'kenthimself' had a bit bigger flush than I did enough of the time to discount a push.

I only called and Regretnot showed me KK for top set Kenthimself showed QJ for what was top two (gg flop overcall). I think that's pretty much the lower end of their ranges considering the action. I actually tanked before calling and didn't even consider raising. I asked Genitruc about it and he was like 'wtf you didn't raise AI?' which followed by me saying 'haha ur awful etc..'. So we brought it to you guys to get some unbiased opinions. Many thx.

raising AI is thin but you are only concerned about villain who bet out river having flush (overcaller never ever has a high flush obv) and he likely would have raised Ahxh on flop.

edit : also, try to find a higher flushdraw that a decent tagg opponent doesn't raise on the flop. I can't think of any besides

I think I agree with the flat river call here.

I agree that kenthimself never has a flush here, or rarely, but I definitely put regretnot on some kind of flush. I'd imagine a very large portion of his non-flush range would be checked on this river, after this turn lead was called by two players.

I'm not sure about the turn check though. Last thing you wanna see is it checking through and another heart falling.

u messed up real bad by not leading turn and getting all in as fast as humanly possible

Originally Posted by sauce123

u messed up real bad by not leading turn and getting all in as fast as humanly possible

If they're not raising the flop I dont think they're raising the turn. I also think if I bet the turn and pushed the river i'm not going to get any action from two pair, just the set.
Maybe a cool line would be to pump the turn and c/raise river.

I think you played it fine, losing the minumum against higher flushes and extracting the mac from 2 pair/set hands as they are not likely to call a raise on turn or river.

dude, no one ever has a higher flush