interesting hand from 2+2 methinks...

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...gonew=1#UNREAD

i think it's a pretty easy fold. the guys there aren't very good at explaining why they are "insta-calling" besides "they are donks"

maybe some people here can enlighten me...

I think the 2p2ers are being idiotic. This is an easy fold.

I like a call here.

this is always the biggest fuckin' debate...

Originally Posted by Massimo

this is always the biggest fuckin' debate...

Because there is no easy answer without a read.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by Massimo

this is always the biggest fuckin' debate...

Because there is no easy answer without a read.

read or no read, the villain is still raising the hero puts in a strong continuation bet, into 4 other players acting after.

even a complete lagtard would know that's just askin for trouble without a made hand.

I'm probably folding here, but fuck I dunno against an unknown at this limit. I think a fold is probably the most +EV decision. Seems like it has to be a draw which has a lot of outs or two pair / set which has us crushed. I suppose you coild see a really badly played Ax, but I would have to think any competent player is not going to raise the flop with AJ. Then again, there are a lot of incompetent players at this limit. I'd still lean towards a fold though, especially if I respected the player I would fold very easily. Not to mention this is full ring.

If this was 6 handed this is an auto-call for me. Very rarily do I see a push on this flop as having a really great hand. 9 handed I would have to need a read to fold this here but I will tend to call. This was BEFORE reading what the 2p2 100 NL donks had to say.

After reading 2p2, I reaffirmed that they are, in fact, donks at 100 NL and will still call this almost everytime, and especially in 6 max. I have a habit of calling most TPTK facing an open allin on the flop anyway when I'm not deepstacked. It's the turn and river open allins that are the nuts!

Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi

the villain is still raising the hero puts in a strong continuation bet, into 4 other players acting after.

Calling would be a stronger play in a way. The All-in is intended to shut out the rest of the field.

This really comes down to there not being a whole lot of automatic plays in NLHE. A lot of people come here looking for them, but they're getting smoke blown up their ass if someone offers one. You got to figure how the game is playing, what the board looks like, what the other guy is like and figure if this is your spot to play a big one. That's the only rational way I can figure this game.

Originally Posted by ilikeaces86

5. Fold to a raise on the flop if you dont have a super read and you dont have at least Aces. (2pair+ = at least aces)

I interpret this as a logical "AND". So since I have aces I wouldn't fold.

call
hes shutting out hands behind.