Interesting preflop situation w/TT

Converter's offline but here's the gist: 200nl, 6max, full stacks, Hero's on the button with T T

Folds to Hero, Hero raises to $7, SB calls $6, BB raises to $20, Hero calls $13. But now SB raises to $55, BB calls $35, Hero ???

Should I ever fold here?

There's $130 in the pot when it gets to you, $35 more to call...

Well, you know what the SB has, he's flipped his cards face up (AA I'd assume, KK at worst), and SB has told you he's got a good hand too (but not AA/KK).....we can probably assume a few things.

1) We're behind the SB and probably (at best) coin-flipping with the BB.

2) The SB will probably open push *any* flop. So instead of calling $35 to win $130, we're actually calling $35 to win $275.

3) Sometimes the BB will call the SB's open push, putting even *more* money in the pot. So sometimes we're looking at putting in $35 more to win $400+.


I think if we can assume we're getting the SB's stack if we hit a set (which most of time time we will), I can see this being a +EV play (to call).....just barely.

That said, it's never a guarentee that you'll get it all-in, and set-over-sets do happen.....I probably puke in my mouth a little bit and fold preflop and ignore the screen until the hand is over (I don't want to see a ten hit here).

no way you can fold! call and "pull it back, Mike" when the T falls.

sorry for the WSOP commercial reference...had to be done.

SB's range might surprise you.

This is really close. You need like 10:1 to call for pure set value if you assume everything goes your way (he always stacks off, etc.)

I would fold and save myself the drama, but calling isn't a big mistake.

Originally Posted by Ultimate George

I think if we can assume we're getting the SB's stack if we hit a set (which most of time time we will)

I love your optimism UG

Yeah, I knew this was kinda close. Good to know it's not completely donkish.

FullTiltPoker Game #1320630993: Table Lions Rock (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit Hold'em - 19:47:02 ET - 2006/11/28
Seat 1: Da Flop King ($244.95)
Seat 2: kewl21 ($51.80)
Seat 3: jseeps ($168.50), is sitting out
Seat 4: Warpe ($204.30)
Seat 5: ezplayer ($266.25)
Seat 6: MissCutie34 ($290.20)
ezplayer posts the small blind of $1
MissCutie34 posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Warpe [T T]
Da Flop King folds
kewl21 folds
Warpe raises to $7
ezplayer calls $6
MissCutie34 raises to $20
Warpe calls $13
ezplayer raises to $55
MissCutie34 calls $35
Warpe: lol
Warpe calls $35
*** FLOP *** [5 2 T]
ezplayer checks
MissCutie34 checks
Warpe bets $149.30, and is all in
ezplayer calls $149.30
MissCutie34 folds
Warpe shows [Tc Td]
ezplayer shows [K K]
*** TURN *** [A]
*** RIVER *** [6]
Warpe shows three of a kind, Tens
ezplayer shows a pair of Kings
Warpe wins the pot ($460.60) with three of a kind, Tens
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $463.60 | Rake $3
Board: [5c 2c Th Ad 6c]
Seat 1: Da Flop King didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: kewl21 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: jseeps is sitting out
Seat 4: Warpe (button) showed [Tc Td] and won ($460.60) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 5: ezplayer (small blind) showed [Kc Ks] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 6: MissCutie34 (big blind) folded on the Flop

Consider that you're not always getting his stack on an ATx flop (about 16.5% of the time you catch a set.)

Definitely a fold with 100bbs.

It's at worst a $15 mistake.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by Ultimate George

I think if we can assume we're getting the SB's stack if we hit a set (which most of time time we will)

I love your optimism UG

I think in this situation you're usually good to hit a set half of the time. Online poker is rigged, duh!

Anyway, hopefully you know that's not what I meant...still funny though.

P.S. Not the way I thought you'd get it all-in on the flop (after hitting your set)....His flop check is absolutely terrible, I'm open-pushing any non-ace flop if I'm him.

Hopefully I never play poker bad enough to get into a situation like that.

Originally Posted by Fnord

It's at worst a $15 mistake.

If this were true I'd say that's a fairly significant mistake.

Originally Posted by aislephive

Originally Posted by Fnord

It's at worst a $15 mistake.

If this were true I'd say that's a fairly significant mistake.

You're dumping this at the 4-bet, I presume?