Interesting Turn Spot, Big Draw in Big Pot OOP

Preflop was an accident, thought there was another limper in EP.

As played I should've just folded preflop...

I have a lot of thoughts about the turn.

Since I rarely get into big pots OOP with SC's, I didn't really have a default play. The big question is IF you bet turn, how much do you bet?

$400 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, May 16, 18:05:39 ET 2007
Table Table 127604 (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: NightPatrol ( $461 USD )
Seat 4: GrafKaliostro ( $321 USD )
Seat 6: Masyanya85 ( $401.39 USD )
Seat 5: HERO ( $647.40 USD )
Seat 1: massy2072 ( $410 USD )
Seat 2: Epic_Mazur ( $400 USD )
HERO posts small blind [$2 USD].
massy2072 posts big blind [$4 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO
Epic_Mazur folds.
GrafKaliostro folds.
HERO calls [$2 USD]
massy2072 raises [$8 USD]
HERO calls [$8 USD]

** Dealing Flop **

HERO checks.
massy2072 bets [$20 USD]
HERO raises [$66 USD]
massy2072 calls [$46 USD]

** Dealing Turn **
HERO...

$122 for information and it's scary enough for him.

information lol.... id lead for 90

gotta bet alot!

essentially u want to leave approx. a pot sized bet on river if he calls and obviously you have to fold to a shove.

Originally Posted by sauce123

essentially u want to leave approx. a pot sized bet on river if he calls and obviously you have to fold to a shove.

guess I can't have my cake and eat it too...

I really wanted to bet

I really really didn't want to fold.

are u sure u have to fold if u bet pot? pot would be like 150ish, he has abuot 330 behind, so you would have to call 180 to win330 + 150 + 150, which seems like enough to call

Originally Posted by gabe

are u sure u have to fold if u bet pot? pot would be like 150ish, he has abuot 330 behind, so you would have to call 180 to win330 + 150 + 150, which seems like enough to call

I dont think we want to bet though. Id rather make it 2/3 pot ish or 1/2 and leave us some implied and room to fold

I think this is a bad idea, but I am going to throw it out there for fun anyway.
Check, if he bets pot or less, put him all-in.

He is going to have a tough time calling with anything but AK/AA+ He might just call BS on the WTF?!? double check/raise.... but then again he could easily have very little here.

If he checks behind, that's fine too. If by some bizzare chance he has a better spade draw then you're farqed.

Betting pot was a cool option (pricing myself in to call a shove) but that left very little room for a river shove if villain flat-called

Zen CR ai is the only thing I didn't think of in the heat of the moment and I really like the idea.

Genitruc- I used to C/R draws all in often at 200nl and it seemed like a profitable line.

Originally Posted by sauce123

Genitruc- I used to C/R draws all in often at 200nl and it seemed like a profitable line.

The wacky part about c/r the turn here is that villian ALREADY check/raised! Double check/raising is just goofy... I can't figure out what you represent, so I fear villian will call light... but at least you have 12 outs.

Originally Posted by zenbitz

Originally Posted by sauce123

Genitruc- I used to C/R draws all in often at 200nl and it seemed like a profitable line.

The wacky part about c/r the turn here is that villian ALREADY check/raised! Double check/raising is just goofy... I can't figure out what you represent, so I fear villian will call light... but at least you have 12 outs.

Boosted J used to take this line a lot back in the heyday of Party (dbl CR)... with sets.

Wish I had his reputation.