Jacks facing wierd turn double donk.

(Note: i really am Hero in this hand)
Wtf is this turn bet all about? Opp bought in deep so i assume he is decent, no stats.

AP 200nl 6max.
Table: FALCON DR (Real Money) Seat #3 is the dealer
Seat 3 - BERGGREN ($417 in chips)
Seat 4 - HELENMIG ($60.15 in chips)
Seat 5 - SIRFRANKY ($405.95 in chips)
Seat 6 - POKERNUT18 ($79.25 in chips)
Seat 1 - RON7655 ($383.60 in chips)
Seat 2 - MIFFED22001 ($273.80 in chips)
HELENMIG - Posts small blind $1
SIRFRANKY - Posts big blind $2
*** POCKET CARDS ***
Dealt to MIFFED22001 [Jh Js]
POKERNUT18 - Calls $2
RON7655 - Calls $2
MIFFED22001 - Raises $14 to $14
BERGGREN - Calls $14
HELENMIG - Folds
SIRFRANKY - Folds
POKERNUT18 - Folds
RON7655 - Calls $12
*** FLOP *** [3s 2s 4h]
RON7655 - Bets $12
MIFFED22001 - Raises $45 to $45
BERGGREN - Folds
RON7655 - Calls $33
*** TURN *** [3s 2s 4h] [7d]
RON7655 - Bets $22
MIFFED22001 - is trying to click his all in button....

man, what is this really besides a set? I think i call down if he makes another weak bet on the river.

I can't see that not being a blocker, so a shove is fine here IMO.

At low stakes this looks like a poor player with a hand like 66 or something. At 400NL, can it really be? Could he have literally forgotten you just raised and is making a small value bet? Or is he assuming you'll raise/push at which point he can stack you with his 22?

if he check i bet/fold to a raise. If he donks again im pushing i think because the board is ugly.
As a blocker is it an Ax drawy hand or a pair plus draw hand type thing nearly always.

Ron is a complete unknow to me despite buying in 200bbs deep. Bergren and the others are not

just get it in, if he's really donking huge strength note it and next time dont raise the flop.

i dont understand why risk whole stack here with no reads if u can call and decide on river without much risk. if ur ahead u still win most of time. u dont know where he is at by the way he played it.

did he have ATs ?

Originally Posted by crazycrazy

i dont understand why risk whole stack here with no reads if u can call and decide on river without much risk. if ur ahead u still win most of time. u dont know where he is at by the way he played it.

did he have ATs ?

quite simple, ill face a big river bet on any river card including really scary ones. Its fold or felt it right here right now IMO.

i stick it in without more specific reads

quite simple, ill face a big river bet on any river card including really scary ones. Its fold or felt it right here right now IMO.

ok

i dont have enough knowledge to really advce this much but i think, given the pot is already quite big, theres big chance ur beat but still u can see what happen on river cheap...so calling may be close to folding.

SO, getting confused i dont think he has set and i think he has flush draw, his turn bet is so weird to me.

weird hand cant wait to know he had

the only reason i even consider that we shouldn't get it in is because miffed posted it and clearly lost.

43s for the results orientated.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

43s for the results orientated.

Wow, I think that's the play of an extreme noob.

Originally Posted by Ash256

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

43s for the results orientated.

Wow, I think that's the play of an extreme noob.

my assumption tends to be that on ap where you can buy in 200bbs deep, if you do so youre probably a set camping nit, if you buy in 100bbs deep youre probably trying to be good and anyone else is a fish (and there are loads of $80 buy ins (minimum) even for 200nl games)
So yeah, i was really surprised when this was a hand that could have been felted way easier. I shrugged and lost my 7th buy in of the day

FWIW I think more often than not, this is a draw or a hand that he thinks might be good but isn't willing to play for stacks unless you initiate it, like say 99 or something.

Edit: I see you lost but I still think without proper reads you have to push here.

Originally Posted by Galapogos

FWIW I think more often than not, this is a draw or a hand that he thinks might be good but isn't willing to play for stacks unless you initiate it, like say 99 or something.

Edit: I see you lost but I still think without proper reads you have to push here.

agreed, when i played it i thopught wtf then insta-pushed and thought 99/TT might just call this. Then i see 43s and think hmmm you played that like a n00b sir.

I think its fine as played, or at least not bad which leaves me fine with it.