Quote Originally Posted by mcatdog
Quote Originally Posted by minSim
Not often, but what do you do to a raise? If I would be CO in this hand, I'd raise or call flop and push the turn all-in and you would have to fold.
No he wouldn't "have to fold." You're claiming that you'd push the turn all-in here with any two, but he needs at least trips to call? That doesn't make any sense. Against players like (appparently) you, when you're raised here, you call. A lot of the big pots we win with JJ-AA are from over-aggro players who decide to spew a stack on this type of flop.

That was assuming it's a heads-up pot of course. A lot fewer people have the cojones to bluff-raise in a 4-way pot.

Zook, I think your river value bet is good against bad players, and bad against good players. Was that what you were thinking when you made it, that this guy is a bad loose-passive player and he'll pay you off with any full house?
I think your point about making money in these spots because certain villain are over-aggro makes a lot more sense when in position. OOP, as hero is in this hand, it's a lot harder IMO.

Let's assume you're hero, I'm CO, we don't know eachother. You bet the flop, I raise, and apparantly you call. What do you do on a blank turn? You bet, I push, you call? or fold? You c/rai the turn?

Please note: I'm in no way advocating I know the best thing to do in these spots. I really don't know and would like to know.