KK line-check 140bb deep

Villain seems like a decent regular, is 24/20/3.3 over a lot of hands. I have some notes on him, he's capable of calling 3-bets ip and floating flops, raising c-bets and folding to 3-bets, generally seems solid, maybe a tiny bit on the spewy side.

Turn was a tough decision, I'm having trouble finding hands I get value from except AQ, which I expect him to 3b preflop. Maaaybe KQ, but doubtful. If I bet and get c/r'ed then his range is polarized to sets and flush draw semi-bluffs and I have a really tough decision this deep. River is a verrrry thin value bet. Probably too thin. Thoughts?

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Holdem Ring game - Blinds: $2/$4 - 5 playersConverter

Stack sizes:
Hero: $673.80
CO: $488.50
Button: $419.60
SB: $550.50
BB: $103

Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $14, 2 folds, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: 3 Q 7 ($42, 3 players)
SB bets $34, BB folds, Hero raises to $120, SB calls.

Turn: 8 ($282, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: 9 ($282, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $150

Bet the turn, call a shove.

River is thin but not too thin depending on your image.

The only reason i'd check the turn is if i was raising the flop a ton and suspected a float.

I like a check behind on turn because you will be able to extract a larger river bet against more of his calling range on the flop if a heart misses the river.

But i like a river bet, as long as you think he isn't capable of a bluff c/r or checking with a flush. Since i don't play 2/4 idk how often you would see him do that, though.

btw at what limit do you start to expect your opponents are capable of a river c/r? I haven't seen any river check/raises by my opponents in nearly 20k hands of 1/2 at Pokerstars; am i just avoiding the best players?

To ISF/Massimo: How much do you think making a bet on the turn narrows zooks' range? I would expect villain's range to be Q-x/FD/set, which puts us solidly ahead. If we bet the turn we are folding out a lot of hands we are beating.

Even though we are giving a free card to a significant portion of his range, if a heart bricks i would expect villain to lead a missed flush some of the time, and c/c a lot of Q-x hands for a large river bet. To me we would be getting more value by checking the turn, since if we did bet we would be obligated to call a shove when we could expect to be drawing dead a good percentage of the time.

In my experience at 2/4 people never fold so i dont think we fold out much at all.
I think we get the same value from Qx if we bet here than if we check and bet river.
Obviously we want to bet versus flush draws.

bet turn

I think the key to this hand is deciding what his turn check was. It can only be what, a heart draw, a float, AQ or a set? Isn't it best to bet now against that range, because on the river only AQ gives you favorable action, sometimes?

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

In my experience at 2/4 people never fold so i dont think we fold out much at all.
I think we get the same value from Qx if we bet here than if we check and bet river.
Obviously we want to bet versus flush draws.

Okay if we aren't folding out really any of his range then i can see why a bet on the turn would be best. I hope someday i will play 2/4...

Seems like you have to bet the turn. Why did you check?

Originally Posted by mixchange

Why did you check?

For value and pot control. I thought a bet folded KQ and a lot of heart draws, and the hands I would get action from would c/r me AI for another 50BB+ (some draws and sets). If I thought that I could instacall a c/r, I would have bet turn no question. And maybe I should call a c/r here.

Not sure what ISF is talking about no one folding at 2/4. I think that pre-flop can be spewy aggro at 2/4 and certain regulars get crazy on certain flops, but turns and rivers are played very standardly.