KK running into a set...

I thought this guy had Q's or J's... and some reason i still bet into him on the turn. Evaluate this please..

***** Hand History for Game 1987430820 *****
$25 NL Hold'em - Monday, May 02, 10:33:31 EDT 2005
Table Table 36652 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 6: bean555 ( $51.4 )
Seat 4: Gotohellmuth ( $25.75 )
Seat 2: culichia ( $24.35 )
Seat 5: iWinHD ( $5 )
Seat 3: Wizard_69 ( $22.1 )
Seat 1: DCDriven ( $25.1 )
DCDriven posts small blind [$0.1].
culichia posts big blind [$0.25].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to bean555 [ Kd Kc ]
Wizard_69 calls [$0.25].
Gotohellmuth folds.
bean555 raises [$2].
DCDriven folds.
culichia folds.
Wizard_69 calls [$1.75].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 5c, 5d, 3d ]
>You have options at Table 36994 (6 max) Table!.
Wizard_69 checks.
bean555 bets [$3].
Wizard_69 calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qs ]
>You have options at Table 37201 (6 max) Table!.
Wizard_69 checks.
>You have options at Table 36994 (6 max) Table!.
bean555 bets [$7].
Wizard_69 raises [$14].
bean555: what do uhave gdamnit
bean555 raises [$14].
>You have options at Table 36994 (6 max) Table!.
Wizard_69 is all-In [$3.1]
** Dealing River ** [ 4h ]
bean555 shows [ Kd, Kc ] two pairs, kings and fives.
Wizard_69 shows [ Qh, Qd ] a full house, Queens full of fives.
bean555 wins $3.9 from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and fives.
Wizard_69 wins $42.55 from the main pot with a full house, Queens full of fives.
>You have options at Table 37201 (6 max) Table!.
nh
fckin gay

probably would have bet more on the flop but I think most people go broke here.

The check-raise is a big warning sign in neon lights.

Originally Posted by dalecooper

The check-raise is a big warning sign in neon lights.

I would of folded if I hadn't had a read on him. 2 hands ago he went all in with J8 gut shot straight draw.

The move here was going all-in after his re-raise on the flop. But that's just my opinion. And that involves my read.

there was no raise on the flop. it was your responsibility to protect your hand on the flop with a pot sized bet. betting $3 into a $4.25 pot with a coordinated board is, as you say, "gay."

Originally Posted by ChezJ

there was no raise on the flop. it was your responsibility to protect your hand on the flop with a pot sized bet. betting $3 into a $4.25 pot with a coordinated board is, as you say, "gay."

3/4 pot bet is not a weak bet, and it still gives them bad odds. plus there is no strait and a doubtful flush because he called such a large preflop raise. I dont see any reason to panic here.... and he definitely would of drawn out with that hand anyways. Im not sure if that really would of made any difference.

Do you really expect NL25 players to fold their Axs to 8xBB? Even AKs and KQs?

when I read the HH I put him on a 5.

I don't know, the big raise on the turn was a huge flag. . . you've just got 2 pair and there's possible trips on the board AND a flush draw.

Hard to put down KK, particularly with the earlier read. . . but it IS a vulnerable hand.

Originally Posted by ville18

Do you really expect NL25 players to fold their Axs to 8xBB? Even AKs and KQs?

what are u talking about? what do any of these comments mean... I haven't seen one solid answer yet..

By this I think that you mean you would want these hands to fold. Which would leave what hands to call JJ QQ KK and AA? Those are pretty slim pickins. I'll be happy to have Aces call my kings and lower pocket pairs. 8x bb is a very good bet shorthanded in 25 NL. Half the time you won't get any callers. I make sure to find a table that will limp in and then call raises like this because I know I will have the best hand. If an ace falls so be it I can let it go.

Originally Posted by DancesWithWinnebagos

when I read the HH I put him on a 5.

I don't know, the big raise on the turn was a huge flag. . . you've just got 2 pair and there's possible trips on the board AND a flush draw.

Hard to put down KK, particularly with the earlier read. . . but it IS a vulnerable hand.

Ok, I was incredibly committed to this pot on the turn. It cost me 10 dollars at this point on a good size pot, one where I will have the upper hand quite a bit of the time on pp. I thought I was beat but I was required to call at this point.

That's a real tough hand. Maybe overbet the pot on the flop. If it gets called he's probably got an overpair or A5. Then the c/r on the turn screams QQ or A5. You reraised a c/r without the nuts? I hate KK & AA for this very reason, ultra-hard to lay down when you're beat and don't know it. At some tables I think A5s would've called your PFR, but what to do? Bet 20x BB? I dunno