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    Default lets see how this works

    i want to post some "room for improvement" hands. believe me, there will be lots of room for improvement.

    i want to post my 2 best, and 2 worst hands for my individual sessions. i may throw what i ran, numbers wise, into the mix; although, i dont know if that will do squat.

    i have a feeling i play my good hands less than optimumly, and i know i tend to get "stack happy" on my bad ones.

    i am hoping you guys can provide some solutions to where i miss value or overplay the hands. i'm keeping it to 4 hands per post for simplicity...for now.

    many thanks in advance.
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    Default NIGHT ONE...

    summary of night. i was getting really tested, patience wise. my hands were hitting flops, but i was facing an abnormal amount of aggression back in my face. usually, that means i am just matching up against better hands...courtesy of the poker gods. i'm trying to get out of the habit of calling these "just to find out." but, sometimes i push over incorrectly.

    did i here?...

    hand one...assume no reads unless i post them in front of the HHs.

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Hero ($30)
    SB ($61.30)
    BB ($17.30)
    UTG ($56.75)
    MP ($46.71)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with K, K.
    1 fold, MP raises to $0.5, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, MP calls $1.25.
    is this raise too small? i usually make it $2, but am trying to stay more consistent with 3.5X

    Flop: ($3.85) J, Q, 9 (2 players)
    MP bets $1, Hero raises to $5, MP calls $4.
    raise may have been a bit big, but i wanted to punish the draw, or TP +OE combo if it was out there. should i have heeded warning signs when i was called? usually, villains chase full pot bets into me as frequently as 3/4 pot, so i've upped the charge.

    Turn: ($13.85) 5 (2 players)
    MP bets $1.5, Hero raises to $13.25, MP raises to $39.96, Hero calls $10 (All-In).
    here's where i feel my mistake was. i feel i had good thoughts, but didnt slow down appropriately. the draw was what i worried about, and the push over told me i was beat, but i cant fold for another $10, can i? i kind of trapped myself. two pair didnt worry me, as i had any pair on the board to counterfeit him. i was worried about a set or the flopped str8.

    River: ($60.35) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $60.35

    Results in white below:
    MP doesn't show.
    Hero has Kc Ks (one pair, kings).
    Outcome: Hero wins $60.35. MP wins $16.71.


    i dont feel so bad about playing an overpair this hard. i think, at 25NL, its a +EV play. but, i also think i overplayed this particular one. yes?

    hand two...

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    BB ($8.75)
    UTG ($5.50)
    MP ($19)
    CO ($62.58)
    Button ($6.30)
    Hero ($27.20)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    1 fold, MP raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, Hero raises to $5.25, 1 fold, MP calls $4.25, Button folds.
    big RR i know, but i wanted to isolate shorty, and it kind of backfired.

    Flop: ($11.75) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets 21.95 , MP bets $13.75 (All-In).
    the reason for the push over was that if i bet the usual $7.50-$9, he is committed. so, i just wanted as much FE as i could get here agaisnt the unpaired broadways in his range. i figured if he hit his set, good for him. but, i also thought that QQ+ 4bets me pf. is that a reason i should only c/c this flop? i may have been a bit tilty, but i dont think this was a complete donkey move. just a bit aggro?

    Turn: ($11.75) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($11.75) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $-2

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Js Jh (two pair, jacks and twos).
    MP doesn't show.
    Outcome: MP wins $25.50.


    hand three... classic example of why i play overpairs hard down here. sure, i was scared, but i see crap call me way too often.

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    Button ($62.92)
    Hero ($34.70)
    BB ($50.75)
    UTG ($25.13)
    MP ($47.57)
    CO ($73.20)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    1 fold, MP calls $0.50, CO calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.5, 1 fold, MP calls $2, CO folds.

    Flop: ($6) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets $4.5, MP calls $4.50.

    Turn: ($15) (2 players)
    Hero bets $10, MP calls $10.

    River: ($35) (2 players)
    Hero bets 17.70 , MP calls $17.70.

    Final Pot: $52.70

    Results in white below:
    Hero has Qh Qd (one pair, queens).
    MP has Qs Th (one pair, tens).
    Outcome: Hero wins $52.70.


    hand four...i think this is completely standard, but i said i would post my worst two and my best two.

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    BB ($24.77)
    UTG ($69.75)
    MP ($14.82)
    CO ($36)
    Hero ($23.38)
    SB ($8)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    1 fold, MP calls $0.25, CO raises to $1.25, Hero calls $1.25, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, MP calls $1.
    good set odds in 3way pot, and position.

    Flop: ($5.25) , , (4 players)
    SB checks, MP checks, CO bets $2.25, Hero calls $2.25, SB folds, MP calls $2.25.
    i may raise this HU, but on a dry board, i wanted the overcall.

    Turn: ($12) (3 players)
    MP checks, CO bets $32.5 (All-In), Hero bets $19.88 (All-In), MP folds.
    wow. thanks for the push. saves me the effort. God Bless position!

    River: ($51.76) (2 players, 2 all-in)

    Final Pot: $39.14

    Results in white below:
    CO doesn't show.
    Hero has 5s 5c (three of a kind, fives).
    Outcome: Hero wins $51.76. CO wins $12.62.


    ACCURATE RESULTS BELOW...AP converter blows chunks.
    hand one...villain takes down pot with QJ (2 pr)
    hand two...villain wins with set of T's.
    hand three...i win. villain had QT (Qs).
    hand four...i won. villain had KK.


    alright boys, fire away.
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    by the way...

    i played 758 hands at 14/8/3 and lost 17 ptbb/100. a rare session, for me.

    one thing i just thought of when i was taking the kiddies to school...i think i tend to cbet too much oop when i am a bit "spewy." i hear that in a HU pot, most of you cbet as your default play. i think that gets me into trouble against the call stations, which seem to be everywhere i sit right now.

    last month, when things were air-tight, i wasnt doing a lot of cbetting oop. however, in position, you could set your clock by it.
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    I think all the hands are standard except for the JJ hand.
    Why raise to $5.25 from $1?? Maybe make it $3 or something, but if he shoves you're at best 50/50 but you gotta call because he's short and you've got the odds, so i don't like it...

    I probably would just call, hope for low cards and punish him if he hits a pair.

    In regards to c-betting i've tried to stop c-betting flops that hit their range harder than mine... Like having AJ and the flop coming 785 or something.
    Can't say it's working well as i've been on a bit of a downswing lol
    I also try and raise c-bets on low boards or float them more in position, not sure if it's working yet as it's a small sample.

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    Default Re: NIGHT ONE...

    Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
    hand two...

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    BB ($8.75)
    UTG ($5.50)
    MP ($19)
    CO ($62.58)
    Button ($6.30)
    Hero ($27.20)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with , .
    1 fold, MP raises to $1, 1 fold, Button calls $1, Hero raises to $5.25, 1 fold, MP calls $4.25, Button folds.
    big RR i know, but i wanted to isolate shorty, and it kind of backfired.

    Flop: ($11.75) , , (2 players)
    Hero bets 21.95 , MP bets $13.75 (All-In).
    the reason for the push over was that if i bet the usual $7.50-$9, he is committed. so, i just wanted as much FE as i could get here agaisnt the unpaired broadways in his range. i figured if he hit his set, good for him. but, i also thought that QQ+ 4bets me pf. is that a reason i should only c/c this flop? i may have been a bit tilty, but i dont think this was a complete donkey move. just a bit aggro?
    I didn't really read the other hands but this one jumped out as bad. Not because of the big 3-bet, that's fine at 25NL because they'll still call it with anything.

    What's awful is your though process on the flop. You do not want FE against unpaired overs. You want them to call, you're beating them after all. If they want to pay $7.50 to hit their card that's awesome. All you're doing by betting this large making sure you're only getting called by good hands instead of the crap people will normally want to call with.


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    all fine,

    bet more preflop with JJ though
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    all fine,

    bet more preflop with JJ though
    srsly?
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    galapogos,

    i agree. i tend to get that way...ultranitty in those spots. sometimes i can stop them before they happen, but a lot i am only called by better. i simply dont know, however, when the overcard hits whether or not it hit them. and, they fire regardless, it seems, making it incredibly tough for me to continue. so, i lean towards taking it when i know i am ahead of most hands.

    something to work on....thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Galapogos
    What's awful is your though process on the flop. You do not want FE against unpaired overs. You want them to call, you're beating them after all. If they want to pay $7.50 to hit their card that's awesome. All you're doing by betting this large making sure you're only getting called by good hands instead of the crap people will normally want to call with.

    I thought this exact same thing. I play this hand opposite of you on the flop. I check push hoping that WORSE hands put some money in. Pushing will get money from some worse and some better, but check pushing will get money from all the better hands still but also a lot more worse ones.

    Why do you want fold equity when you likely have the best hand?.. hmmm a push here if you had AK would make more sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
    i think i tend to cbet too much oop when i am a bit "spewy." i hear that in a HU pot, most of you cbet as your default play. i think that gets me into trouble against the call stations, which seem to be everywhere i sit right now.
    Definitely do not c-bet as much against the $25NL fishies/calling stations.

    Remember, a c-bet is a bluff, and we do not bluff these types of players...we value bet the shit outa them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JL
    Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
    i think i tend to cbet too much oop when i am a bit "spewy." i hear that in a HU pot, most of you cbet as your default play. i think that gets me into trouble against the call stations, which seem to be everywhere i sit right now.
    Definitely do not c-bet as much against the $25NL fishies/calling stations.

    Remember, a c-bet is a bluff, and we do not bluff these types of players...we value bet the shit outa them.
    Um low-stakes fishies fold far more to cbets than $50 and $100 players do. Cbets work wonders at $25nl!
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    when i start on my downswings it appears that i get "stack happy." for a nit like me, its a little difficult to discern when my edge is better than a flip. when i am flipping, all i do is increase my variance. the trick is that when i inevitably back off the "stack-happiness) i dont let variance catch up with me agian, and i take awhile to grind back what i lost...if that makes sense. its like a sharp down, and a slower climb back up because i'm not going for stacks...i'm value betting the turns and rivers more.

    anyway. i would like some help with some of these hands. can you guys help me put them on ranges. i tend not to do this in the heat of battle. i tend to look at my hand and say, "i'm good here a lot...i want his stack." and i think it gets me into trouble...variance wise.

    hand one...is this a bad bluff against an unknown? the minraise tells me either i'm beat, or hes got a big draw. in case it was a combo, i wanted to only call his flop raise and hit him (if no overcard came) on turn when he lost his equity. is that a bad habit? or is that a solid thought process that is too sophisticated for 25NL? i try and price the bet on turn so that i can get away from a raise, but never actually do it because i then look at the odds i'm getting on the rest of his stack...so, i get confused as to whether i should push outright, or pay more attention to his raise instead of odds?

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    CO ($32.45)
    Button ($9.75)
    Hero ($23.70)
    BB ($12.15)
    UTG ($28.30)
    MP ($25.20)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9.
    UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: ($1.25) 3, 7, 4 (5 players)
    Hero bets $1, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls $1, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1, MP calls $1.

    Turn: ($7.25) 6 (3 players)
    Hero bets $4.25, MP folds, Button raises to $7.5, Hero calls $3.25.

    River: ($22.25) Q (2 players)

    Final Pot: $22.25


    hand two... this one may not look so bad on the surface, but i think its horrible once you look at the actual play. i think its obvious what villain has here, but can/should i get away? i think there are at least two mistakes here.

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    Hero ($34.65)
    SB ($39.70)
    BB ($9.75)
    UTG ($47.75)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    1 fold, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75.

    Flop: ($3) , , (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.
    4-handed, do you bet this flop as the pfr'r and on button?

    Turn: ($3) (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.5, SB calls $0.50, BB calls $0.50.

    River: ($4.50) (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1, SB raises to $4, BB folds, Hero raises to $9.25i should have just called here. what else minraises? another flush? i think not., SB raises to $37.95, Hero calls $23.90 (All-In).

    Final Pot: $70.80


    hand three....this one has some actual "reading" in it. please follow the thoughts in bold before you tell me it was a fold. both villains, hell the whole table, was maniacal. i was running about 14/9 because of this...noticeably tight. my raises were getting a lot of respect, and so were my cbets. two villains in this hand were running at least 60/30, the first one AI was even higher.

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    BB ($22.65)
    UTG ($43.30)
    MP ($27.88)
    CO ($50.45)
    Hero ($31.70)
    SB ($36.37)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    UTG raises to $1, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.75, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.75, MP calls $2.75.
    i have button with something likely over both ranges. in fact, i figure it to be likely dominating both ranges with either the A or the J. so, this is a "read based" 3bet. i am not a light 3bettor even though this appears to be one.

    Flop: ($11.60) , , (3 players)
    UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $8, UTG raises to $39.55, MP calls $24.13 (All-In), Hero calls $19.95 (All-In).
    i like the flop, for me. so, i put out the value bet of $8. when the push comes, i cant say i was surprised, but it still is reason to pause and think. overpair? two pair? set? or trash? draw? 2nd pair bully? i havent seen any of the first three, as he bets softer when that is the case. but i HAVE seen all three of the latter played aggressively. this guy loves to bluff. but, i still think of dropping the hand because of how deep the push is. but, when the second guy calls cold, i have to rethink, as he is announcing he HAS something. but, based on pot odds, where does my equity stand? 40ish? maybe a little higher? and it appears i am getting 3:1? easy mathematical call w/ TPTK?

    Turn: ($91.63) (3 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($91.63) (3 players, 2 all-in)

    Final Pot: $91.63


    hand four... is the turn pushover spew? i raised light because i was opening up my range on a passive/chasing table. and was planning on cbetting a lot more when i raised. i hit TP and only call because villain tends to be passive. but, when the flush gave me outs, i couldnt resist trying to bump him off a better kicker (no specific read here other than he is not going to showdown like a true call station. he does know how to fold, but i dont know with what), and using my flush draw as backup outs. too aggro?

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    UTG ($29.90)
    Hero ($31.75)
    CO ($44.92)
    Button ($4.89)
    SB ($30.33)
    BB ($51.60)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
    1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Button calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50.

    Flop: ($3) , , (4 players)
    SB bets $3.5, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50, Button folds.

    Turn: ($10) (2 players)
    SB bets $8.5, Hero raises to $27.5, SB calls $17.58 (All-In).

    River: ($62.16) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $62.16


    any constructive criticism welcome...if you tell me "fine," i know my process was ok. but, if you disagree, please give me a sentence or two as to why it was flawed.

    thanks
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    From your last post

    1). i think 9-9 is too big a pair to be limping in with, even from the SB. Given the coordinated texture of the board, the fact it was a limped pot, the fact that you are facing a minraise, and the fact that you are out of position to everyone AND don't know what the other guy who called your flop bet might be going to do, i would fold on the flop. If it were just you and the button i would probably stick it all in on the flop since he is never going to fold a flush draw.

    2). river 3bet is fine but even at 25NL i would fold to a push without more information on villain.

    3). 3bet preflop is fine versus these opponents. Getting AI on the flop is fine too.

    4). Yes a turn push is worse than calling. You probably have little F.E. versus a hand like A-Q since most draws haven't actually completed yet.
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    you are 3betting in games that are still very tight in 3 bet pots.
    At AP you dont need to 3bet these types of hand period, you just need to play them well after the flop.
    if you arent playing something like 20/15 you need to be in these games, after that the money will pour in
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chopper
    when i start on my downswings it appears that i get "stack happy." for a nit like me, its a little difficult to discern when my edge is better than a flip. when i am flipping, all i do is increase my variance. the trick is that when i inevitably back off the "stack-happiness) i dont let variance catch up with me agian, and i take awhile to grind back what i lost...if that makes sense. its like a sharp down, and a slower climb back up because i'm not going for stacks...i'm value betting the turns and rivers more.

    anyway. i would like some help with some of these hands. can you guys help me put them on ranges. i tend not to do this in the heat of battle. i tend to look at my hand and say, "i'm good here a lot...i want his stack." and i think it gets me into trouble...variance wise.

    hand one...is this a bad bluff against an unknown? the minraise tells me either i'm beat, or hes got a big draw. in case it was a combo, i wanted to only call his flop raise and hit him (if no overcard came) on turn when he lost his equity. is that a bad habit? or is that a solid thought process that is too sophisticated for 25NL? i try and price the bet on turn so that i can get away from a raise, but never actually do it because i then look at the odds i'm getting on the rest of his stack...so, i get confused as to whether i should push outright, or pay more attention to his raise instead of odds?

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    CO ($32.45)
    Button ($9.75)
    Hero ($23.70)
    BB ($12.15)
    UTG ($28.30)
    MP ($25.20)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 9, 9.
    UTG calls $0.25, MP calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, Hero completes, BB checks.

    Flop: ($1.25) 3, 7, 4 (5 players)
    Hero bets $1, BB folds, UTG folds, MP calls $1, Button raises to $2, Hero calls $1, MP calls $1.

    Turn: ($7.25) 6 (3 players)
    Hero bets $4.25, MP folds, Button raises to $7.5, Hero calls $3.25.

    River: ($22.25) Q (2 players)

    Final Pot: $22.25


    hand two... this one may not look so bad on the surface, but i think its horrible once you look at the actual play. i think its obvious what villain has here, but can/should i get away? i think there are at least two mistakes here.

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    Hero ($34.65)
    SB ($39.70)
    BB ($9.75)
    UTG ($47.75)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    1 fold, Hero raises to $1, SB calls $0.90, BB calls $0.75.

    Flop: ($3) , , (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks.
    4-handed, do you bet this flop as the pfr'r and on button?

    Turn: ($3) (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.5, SB calls $0.50, BB calls $0.50.

    River: ($4.50) (3 players)
    SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $1, SB raises to $4, BB folds, Hero raises to $9.25i should have just called here. what else minraises? another flush? i think not., SB raises to $37.95, Hero calls $23.90 (All-In).

    Final Pot: $70.80


    hand three....this one has some actual "reading" in it. please follow the thoughts in bold before you tell me it was a fold. both villains, hell the whole table, was maniacal. i was running about 14/9 because of this...noticeably tight. my raises were getting a lot of respect, and so were my cbets. two villains in this hand were running at least 60/30, the first one AI was even higher.

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    BB ($22.65)
    UTG ($43.30)
    MP ($27.88)
    CO ($50.45)
    Hero ($31.70)
    SB ($36.37)

    Preflop: Hero is Button with , .
    UTG raises to $1, MP calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $3.75, 2 folds, UTG calls $2.75, MP calls $2.75.
    i have button with something likely over both ranges. in fact, i figure it to be likely dominating both ranges with either the A or the J. so, this is a "read based" 3bet. i am not a light 3bettor even though this appears to be one.

    Flop: ($11.60) , , (3 players)
    UTG checks, MP checks, Hero bets $8, UTG raises to $39.55, MP calls $24.13 (All-In), Hero calls $19.95 (All-In).
    i like the flop, for me. so, i put out the value bet of $8. when the push comes, i cant say i was surprised, but it still is reason to pause and think. overpair? two pair? set? or trash? draw? 2nd pair bully? i havent seen any of the first three, as he bets softer when that is the case. but i HAVE seen all three of the latter played aggressively. this guy loves to bluff. but, i still think of dropping the hand because of how deep the push is. but, when the second guy calls cold, i have to rethink, as he is announcing he HAS something. but, based on pot odds, where does my equity stand? 40ish? maybe a little higher? and it appears i am getting 3:1? easy mathematical call w/ TPTK?

    Turn: ($91.63) (3 players, 2 all-in)

    River: ($91.63) (3 players, 2 all-in)

    Final Pot: $91.63


    hand four... is the turn pushover spew? i raised light because i was opening up my range on a passive/chasing table. and was planning on cbetting a lot more when i raised. i hit TP and only call because villain tends to be passive. but, when the flush gave me outs, i couldnt resist trying to bump him off a better kicker (no specific read here other than he is not going to showdown like a true call station. he does know how to fold, but i dont know with what), and using my flush draw as backup outs. too aggro?

    Absolute Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) Absolute-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    UTG ($29.90)
    Hero ($31.75)
    CO ($44.92)
    Button ($4.89)
    SB ($30.33)
    BB ($51.60)

    Preflop: Hero is MP with , .
    1 fold, Hero raises to $0.75, 1 fold, Button calls $0.75, SB calls $0.65, BB calls $0.50.

    Flop: ($3) , , (4 players)
    SB bets $3.5, BB folds, Hero calls $3.50, Button folds.

    Turn: ($10) (2 players)
    SB bets $8.5, Hero raises to $27.5, SB calls $17.58 (All-In).

    River: ($62.16) (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Final Pot: $62.16


    any constructive criticism welcome...if you tell me "fine," i know my process was ok. but, if you disagree, please give me a sentence or two as to why it was flawed.

    thanks
    1. Raise preflop, quite large. then if the flop gets messy we can dump easily enough as you wont get heat from worse hands.
    2. I bet teh flop because i dont like my hand much but all of my range hit that flop when i raise the button to steal. Also, our hand is easy to fold to a raise and if we get c/c'ed we have outs to improve after betting flop etc.
    You know river is bad. c/c'ing turn is pretty ugly because you always face a river bet on that board
    3. No need to 3 bet UTG, i think thats bad and spewy. Raise the flop as played then opp has to start making decisions against your button range
    4. Raise to 4bbs, none of this 3bbs because-i-dont-have-a-premium bullshit, buy in deep if you dont like the way it plays postflop.
    Call flop call turn call river, shove river if you flush up. I think your turn line is horrible considering the quite strong line villain takes. He def could have KJ however
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    many thanks, all. sometimes i cannot believe i beat these games with lines like these.

    hand two..the third gross mistake is the $.50 lead on turn. wtf is that? i cant for the life of me remember what i was thinking.
    LHE is a game where your skill keeps you breakeven until you hit your rush of random BS.

    Nothing beats flopping quads while dropping a duece!

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