Quote Originally Posted by meeloche
I feel like the only time I'd consider doing it is vs a fish that isn't full stacked when I want to play a super wide range vs him even if I'm oop. The problem with limping the sb vs anybody reasonable is your gonna get abused a fair amount and at the end of the day your gonna be playing a pot oop without the initiative which is probably the least profitable way you can play poker. Any hand that you are justifying limping like AJ or A9 or J10 I'd be comfortable raising.

If you are raising a solid range in the sb and are playing well vs 3 bets ie 4 betting, flatting etc then people will mess with you less than if you limp.
The thing is though, you don't open limp because its more profitable than raising; you open limp because its profitable IN ADDITION to raising.

Theoretically there are certain hands you could profitably limp, and although you could profitably raise those hands in a vacuum, weaker less limpable hands are probably just as ok to raise.

Hands like 22-66, Axo, offsuit broadways and such are probably profitable to limp vs most. They are also profitable to raise. However they play pretty poorly on most flops when called and often have to check/give up. They also can't stand 3-bets.

Also, I think in a vacuum almost any hand is gonna be profitable to open for 3x in bvb, seeing as the BB's range is any two cards. The problem is that once we are opening more and more hands, we're gonna get adjusted to until any open without a top 15% hand is gonna be unprofitable.

So say Player A is opening the top 25% of hands and folding the rest, and doing well.

And now say Player B takes the same strategy as Player A, only he takes out 10% of those hands and limps them (he chooses hands like I discussed that can't stand to be 3-bet and plays poorly when called), then repopulates the raising range with 10% weaker cards.

Now Player B is opening 25% and limping 10%, playing 35% of his holdings in total, presumably each for a profit. Surely Player B makes more money (read: loses less) from the SB than Player A, considering he's playing 40% more hands.