Quote Originally Posted by Renton
my redline plummets and i am a marginal winner.

Most ppl I know with redlines like yours are also marginal winners.

Players like nutsinho who have breakeven red lines are massive huge winners.


/my contribution

I think this is kind of a silly argument. Just because one of the best online players has a break-even red line doesn't necessarily mean thats the path to greatness.

By your argument, anyone with a huge red line or massively down redline are destined to never be a "massive winner". An extension to your argument is that anyone with a break-even red line, then, has the potential for being a "massive winner" (which I'm sure we can both agree is not true).

I'll agree with you that most graphs you see here and on 2+2 of the big winners certainly contain ppl with near breakeven red lines. However, I have definitely seen some on 2+2 where big winners have huge red lines and either breakeven or largely negative blue.
It's not the standard, but it's definitely possible.

Instead of focusing on the 'red line' as a whole, I think its more productive to focus on what actions/plays are causing so many non-SD winnings, and which of these actions in our games are +EV for us and which are not.

Quote Originally Posted by Renton
we can combine each other's games into a breakeven red line?
The thing is, I feel like at any time I can easily get a break-even red line. Just nit it up postflop, raise only legit hands, c/f when I don't have anything on the turn or any legit equity on the turn. Boom break-even red line.

I can't for the life of me understand massively negative red lines though.... but I'm sure those ppl can't understand mine, so it's all good!