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  1. #1
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    Default Lost value?

    Villain is SLAA over 25 hands. KT, KQ, AQ are definately in his calling range. I think my river play was bad because I'm calling his bet/push regardless. How much should I bet on the river?

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

    Button ($20.55)
    SB ($24.75)
    BB ($23.30)
    Hero ($51.90)
    MP ($12.95)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with 3, 3.
    Hero raises to $0.85, 1 fold, Button calls $0.85, 2 folds.

    Flop: ($2.05) J, Q, 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $1, Hero raises to $3, Button calls $2.

    Turn: ($8.05) 7 (2 players)
    Hero bets $5, Button calls $5.

    River: ($18.05) 9 (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button checks.

    Final Pot: $18.05

    Results:
    Hero has 3s 3c (three of a kind, threes).
    Button has As Qd (one pair, queens).
    Outcome: Hero wins $18.05.
  2. #2
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    Against same villain...

    Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (4 handed) Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver Cards)

    Button ($24)
    SB ($27.40)
    BB ($21.40)
    Hero ($59.85)

    Preflop: Hero is UTG with , .
    Hero raises to $0.85, Button calls $0.85, 2 folds.

    Flop: ($2.05) , , (2 players)
    Hero checks, Button bets $1, Hero raises to $4, Button calls $3.

    Turn: ($10.05) (2 players)
    Hero bets $6, Button raises to $12, Hero calls $6.

    River: ($34.05) (2 players)
    Hero bets $7, Button raises to $7.15 (All-In), Hero calls $0.15.

    Final Pot: $48.35

    Results:
    Hero has Qd Qc (four of a kind, queens).
    Button has 6s 6d (full house, sixes full of queens).
    Outcome: Hero wins $48.35.
  3. #3
    Hand 1) bet $9.75-$11 for value and never check this!

    Hand 2) Unusual, Push when he min-raises your turn bet, no need to save the $7??
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    hand 1: 1/2 pot for value. Bet the flop also.

    hand 2: bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop. bet the flop.

    also, just push over his turn minraise w/ so little behind. But mostly, bet the flop.
    eeevees are not monies yet...they are like baby monies.
  5. #5
    Hand 1) Yes i would just as well bet for value, bet river something like 1/2-2/3 of pot.

    Hand 2) Interesting cr on flop, maybe bet turn little harder something like 7.5-8. Put him all in when he raises, as we want to punish him if he has the J or turned FD and is drawing.
  6. #6
    1: Bet pretty big on all streets so you can shove river for less than pot.
    2: Bet the flop
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash256
    1: Bet pretty big on all streets so you can shove river for less than pot.
    Reminds me of a chapter in NLH:T&P. I should re-read that book!
  8. #8
    Hand 1: Your flop raise is kinda small. Your raise is only the equivalent of a half pot bet. (2 in pot, he bets 1, which you have to match, so pot is 4 and you're only making him call 2 more) I'd make it $4.5, which makes the turn pot ~$11. Then you can bet $7.5, so the river pot will be $23. Now you can put him all in he'll have less than $10 left anyway..

    Hand 2: I'd bet $1.5 on the flop, but as played it worked out ok, now you have to shove the turn.. he likes his hand by his minraise so just put him allin.
  9. #9
    Quote Originally Posted by metalface
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash256
    1: Bet pretty big on all streets so you can shove river for less than pot.
    Reminds me of a chapter in NLH:T&P.
    That's where I learnt that concept

  10. #10
    hand 1 bet river. hand 2 get all in on turn.

    and for both lead out the flop.

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