Quote Originally Posted by sauce123
ur flop raise is very very bad against his range as is ur turn bet as is ur call preflop. ironically i think calling/folding to the turn shove is pretty marginal either way but i would likely call and feel unhappy about it. u made a lot of critical mistakes over the course of this hand on every street though. (im saying this/being critical cause i know ur improving/moving up fast).

preflop the correct play against this player is a 3bet unless he plays poorly postflop.

a call on the flop

check/bet turn if u call the flop and he checks to u is pretty opp/meta dependant

as played a check on the turn is very very clearly correct


(this could be false if u have very specific bet sizing/timing tells on ur opponent but they would have to be very precise to play this hand this strangely)
thanks for the advice sauce. i think a pf 3bet is a mistake. i 3bet him in this same situation a few hands earlier. if i raise i won't know where i'm at in the hand and i can see him 4bet bluffing with his entire range.

i raised on the flop because i felt his bet was weak. when he instacalls my flop raise i still think he is weak. i bet the turn as a sort of blocking bet and as a bet so that he would have to pay to draw out on me. he then crs the turn allin. i didn't think he had a better hand and called. i think this call was more of a tilt call.
if i was completely not tilting i would definitely fold the turn cr allin. i probably wouldn't have played it like this in the 1st place.

i agree with your line though. calling the flop and checking the rest of the hand down i think is better.

i'm very surprised that you say calling/folding the turn cr is about the same. do you really call allin cr?
without reads i'm guessing you definitely fold.


also, ISF, how does A9s play better in a 3bet pot? could you expand on your statement. don't i get into trouble when i flop an A? or TPTK?