Miffs 'I suck and need help' post

1 week ago i made an operation to make ten buy ins at 200nl. As it turns out im down 10 buy ins.
I need you to check my stast plus im posting all big pots from the last 7 days because every time i sit at 200nl lately i just run like shit.
I need to know if im playing badly or if its just badbeats.
Im beyond actually giving a shit and am withdrawing my br tomorrow and quitting for a few months because im sick and fed up of 200nl and badbeats.

ok, my stats. Pretty nitty but then remember im not playing in US games, im playing with teh eurotrash.



Being self critical i could do with raising more, but in reality i dont need to spew raise 22-55 UTG in 5max calling station games. I can get the cash in quick neough against bad players committed to tpgk anyway.
My 3bet range is comfy without being spewy or too tight. Im still working on my play in 3bet pots but ill post hands below.

bah i cant upload my pos stats at mo ill get them up in a bit

My position stats are a little loose but again its 5max and i can usually see cheap flops with hands that are way ahead of my opponents ranges (QJ/KT/a9 type hands)
Ill raise to mix it up enough anyway meaning the only limped hands are really Axs/small pps which i could dump anyway.
CO seems to be spew central, so i dont quite know what im doing there. maybe just the small sample.
Also, looks like im actually better just folding my blind because im losing money out of there like nobodies business. Normally my blind play is really good from playing a lot of limit holdem. Meh.

Ok now im going to post some hands. Ive just hand picked a sleection of big pots ive played on party/pokerroom this week (maybe some from ap)
Some maybe genuine spew, others standard other beats. At least be critical of what im doing because i feel like everytime i play i spew all over everything.

Hand1.
Opp here is 42/18 fish regular.
standard yeah?
Texas Hold'em $2-$4 NL (real money), hand #698,459,302
Table Varna, 9 Aug 2007 11:01 PM ET

Seat 2: TonyStarks80 ($179.20 in chips)
Seat 5: nolllll ($413.40 in chips)
Seat 6: lp87 ($305.80 in chips)
Seat 7: pokerkrang ($188.00 in chips)
Seat 10: MyMumHasAIDS [ AC,AD ] ($226.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
MyMumHasAIDS posts blind ($1), TonyStarks80 posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
nolllll calls $2, lp87 folds, pokerkrang folds, MyMumHasAIDS bets $9, TonyStarks80 folds, nolllll calls $8.

FLOP [board cards 3H,3D,8S ]
MyMumHasAIDS bets $18, nolllll calls $18.

TURN [board cards 3H,3D,8S,6D ]
MyMumHasAIDS checks, nolllll bets $15, MyMumHasAIDS bets $45, nolllll calls $30.

RIVER [board cards 3H,3D,8S,6D,7H ]
MyMumHasAIDS bets $153 and is all-in, nolllll calls $153.


Hand2.
Opp is 24/17 regular. He calls 3bets light and ive seen him sat deep on may tables but also when ive watched he spews all over certain flops/turns badly. QQ definite problem here but id expect him to raise that. Im not folding KK here anyway, correct?
fwiw, i think he has JJ/TT lots and wants to think i have AK

exas Hold'em $2-$4 NL (real money), hand #694,652,512
Table Odense, 9 Aug 2007 1:36 AM ET

Seat 3: UllaGull ($318.95 in chips)
Seat 4: vegie_9999 ($240.00 in chips)
Seat 6: MyMumHasAIDS [ KH,KD ] ($226.25 in chips)
Seat 10: Rialein ($712.60 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Rialein posts blind ($1), UllaGull posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
vegie_9999 bets $7, MyMumHasAIDS bets $24, Rialein folds, UllaGull calls $22, vegie_9999 calls $17.

FLOP [board cards QC,6H,8D ]
UllaGull checks, vegie_9999 checks, MyMumHasAIDS bets $55, UllaGull calls $55, vegie_9999 folds.

TURN [board cards QC,6H,8D,9H ]
UllaGull checks, MyMumHasAIDS bets $90, UllaGull calls $90.

RIVER [board cards QC,6H,8D,9H,4C ]
UllaGull checks, MyMumHasAIDS bets $57.25 and is all-in, UllaGull calls $57.25.


hand3.
Another regular. This guy is 18/13 but he is a fish. He calls down in really bad spots, and pushes a huge range. Hes quite difficult to read at times but is absolutly addicted to top pair in any pot.
I tried to check the flop because i wanted him to try and push me off AA/QQ. Dunno what i was doing on the turn, must have misread my stack. Im all in here right regardless?

Texas Hold'em $2-$4 NL (real money), hand #686,136,259
Table Riverside, 7 Aug 2007 2:08 AM ET

Seat 4: jramskov1 ($115.50 in chips)
Seat 6: MyMumHasAIDS [ AC,KD ] ($251.25 in chips)
Seat 7: Bjorka_kb ($114.45 in chips)
Seat 8: Collector. ($614.40 in chips)
Seat 10: SOLAL x ($130.00 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
jramskov1 posts blind ($1), MyMumHasAIDS posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
Bjorka_kb bets $4, Collector. bets $8, SOLAL x folds, jramskov1 folds, MyMumHasAIDS bets $22, Bjorka_kb folds, Collector. calls $16.

FLOP [board cards 6S,KC,KS ]
MyMumHasAIDS checks, Collector. checks.

TURN [board cards 6S,KC,KS,10H ]
MyMumHasAIDS bets $40, Collector. bets $99, MyMumHasAIDS bets $118, Collector. bets $118, MyMumHasAIDS bets $69.25 and is all-in, Collector. calls $10.25.

RIVER [board cards 6S,KC,KS,10H,3H ]

Hand4.
This guy is a loose passive donk. Im all in preflop with AK here right. I dont think his donkraise/3bet is anything but a middle pair at best so im easy getting all in here. I think calling the reraise is weak because i have to fold a lot of flops whereas getting it all in makes the decision much difficult for opp, i think he'll fold here sometimes and call on a friday night.

Texas Hold'em $2-$4 NL (real money), hand #699,965,108
Table Natitingou, 10 Aug 2007 11:58 AM ET

Seat 1: Escudia ($195.60 in chips)
Seat 3: Mr.red x ($28.05 in chips)
Seat 4: MyMumHasAIDS [ KH,AC ] ($228.55 in chips)
Seat 5: pervincent ($317.75 in chips)
Seat 9: bouba77 ($56.25 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
Mr.red x posts blind ($1), MyMumHasAIDS posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
pervincent folds, bouba77 calls $2, Escudia bets $4, Mr.red x folds, MyMumHasAIDS bets $24, bouba77 folds, Escudia bets $44, MyMumHasAIDS bets $202.55 and is all-in, Escudia calls $147.60 and is all-in.

FLOP [board cards 4D,2S,9H ]

TURN [board cards 4D,2S,9H,5H ]

RIVER [board cards 4D,2S,9H,5H,7D ]

Hand5.
A little mixing it up. How should i play the turn here, opp cant possible call a full pot bet with AK for a split can he?

Texas Hold'em $2-$4 NL (real money), hand #686,391,864
Table Heyfatty's HE, 7 Aug 2007 5:43 AM ET

Seat 2: SharkSouth ($201.00 in chips)
Seat 6: MyMumHasAIDS [ 6H,7D ] ($205.70 in chips)
Seat 8: Heyfatty ($277.90 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
SharkSouth posts blind ($1), MyMumHasAIDS posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
Heyfatty bets $7, SharkSouth folds, MyMumHasAIDS bets $21, Heyfatty calls $16.

FLOP [board cards 7C,2H,10S ]
MyMumHasAIDS bets $35, Heyfatty calls $35.

TURN [board cards 7C,2H,10S,AD ]
MyMumHasAIDS bets $100, Heyfatty bets $200, MyMumHasAIDS calls $47.70 and is all-in.

RIVER [board cards 7C,2H,10S,AD,AH ]

hand6.
This is where i admit i played bad, but probably more at frustration of losing big pot after big pot. Opp is a 20/10 good reg so this could be a bluff a lot right? i just couldnt see him calling a large bet preflop with some hearts. Incorrect?

Texas Hold'em $2-$4 NL (real money), hand #698,422,443
Table Lissabon, 9 Aug 2007 10:52 PM ET

Seat 6: KKirts ($198.15 in chips)
Seat 7: _Terravore ($449.70 in chips)
Seat 8: JoKingAK ($211.75 in chips)
Seat 9: MyMumHasAIDS [ AD,KS ] ($202.00 in chips)
Seat 10: CRAZY_MOVE ($88.75 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
JoKingAK posts blind ($1), MyMumHasAIDS posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
CRAZY_MOVE folds, KKirts folds, _Terravore calls $2, JoKingAK calls $1, MyMumHasAIDS bets $8, _Terravore calls $8, JoKingAK calls $8.

FLOP [board cards 10C,KH,7H ]
JoKingAK checks, MyMumHasAIDS bets $25, _Terravore folds, JoKingAK calls $25.

TURN [board cards 10C,KH,7H,9H ]
JoKingAK checks, MyMumHasAIDS bets $50, JoKingAK bets $176.75 and is all-in, MyMumHasAIDS calls $117 and is all-in.

RIVER [board cards 10C,KH,7H,9H,10D ]


Hand7.
Opp is a friday nioght fish. Sure its a c.minraise but QQ ftw here surely. And we all know hes calling the push with A9s oop which is definitly in his range or some other crap.

Texas Hold'em $2-$4 NL (real money), hand #698,836,959
Table Mikee1978's HE, 10 Aug 2007 1:15 AM ET

Seat 1: thefat32 ($202.70 in chips)
Seat 3: MyMumHasAIDS [ QS,QC ] ($351.55 in chips)
Seat 7: imTwista ($346.35 in chips)
Seat 8: DonkeyDerby. ($194.80 in chips)
Seat 10: FishHooks xx ($222.40 in chips)
ANTES/BLINDS
FishHooks xx posts blind ($1), thefat32 posts blind ($2).

PRE-FLOP
MyMumHasAIDS bets $7, imTwista folds, DonkeyDerby. folds, FishHooks xx calls $6, thefat32 folds.

FLOP [board cards 10D,9D,4S ]
FishHooks xx checks, MyMumHasAIDS bets $14, FishHooks xx bets $28, MyMumHasAIDS bets $330.55 and is all-in, FishHooks xx calls $187.40 and is all-in.

TURN [board cards 10D,9D,4S,6C ]

RIVER [board cards 10D,9D,4S,6C,2C ]


k can someone tell me im running bad and dont actually suck enough to now been down 4-6k at 200nl alone?

Hand 1). I use this line a lot once i noticed you using it in a post a while ago. But i think you need to make a pot sized c/r on the turn since you aren't folding your hand anyways, and it is easier to get it AI on the river. If villain calls a c/r on the turn with a weaker pocket pair he probably isn't making a decision on whether to continue based on the size of the raise.

Hand 2). Looks fine if he is coldcalling 3bets light.

Hand 3). I still c-bet the flop since it is what i would do with A-x or a smaller PP. Hope he calls and c/r the turn.

Hand 4). Without history or having seen villain 4bet light, i fold out everything but K-K+.

Hand 5). I like a turn lead but definitely for less since we don't want to get PC. Looks like villain has A-10/7-7.

Hand 6). i think you should check the turn since villains range of hands he would float the flop with include pairs and draws. Only better hands than yours continue (or a bluff), so i check and figure villain is probably only 20% or so to improve on the river and make a value bet if checked to.

Hand 7). If he will put it in with a 9 out draw or MPTK then i like it.


Sorry to see things aren't going so well at 200NL. I am actually down more than you over a much smaller sample at 200NL the last 4 weeks if its any consolation

Don't fixate on the big pots and re-visit your table/seat selection and quiting decisions.

PokerEV luck graphs are a fun tool to see if you are actually getting as many bad beats as you think.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Don't fixate on the big pots and re-visit your table/seat selection and quiting decisions.

Im not anal about it, but 85% of the time im sat in a good seat, behind money thats going to come my way if i make a hand. The other 15% im sat in a good game in an average seat. If i know im in a bad seat im off within 15minutes of sitting.

Pretty standard, if i lose a big pot to a bad play im still not quitting the game as the guy is making bad decisions, but if i lose a pot to abad play/owned then im off also.

I cant win at small ball either at the moment, seems as if im getting to the river which is os ugly and facing a pot bet.

I guess ive moved from 4- to 6 tables recently but thats only on sites where i can play automatically and make money (pokerroom 5max and party, whereas on i-poker im still only 4 tables.

Originally Posted by Harry

PokerEV luck graphs are a fun tool to see if you are actually getting as many bad beats as you think.

ive googled it and cant find it. Got a link?

k, i found it.

It only does the 7k hands from party that ive played, i think (if i load it right) it speaks for itself.

7k hands, down $3k on my skalnsky bucks

- I wouldn't call as much pre-flop and try to get my VP$IP & PFR% closer.
- Att. to steal blinds is below 20%, I think that's gotta be higher.
- And you post-flop aggression is a little low for my liking. I think it should be above 2.

I see your making a KILLING with AA. It's 63 for 63, your not running bad on that end.

Originally Posted by I Like Pie

- I wouldn't call as much pre-flop and try to get my VP$IP & PFR% closer.
- Att. to steal blinds is below 20%, I think that's gotta be higher.
- And you post-flop aggression is a little low for my liking. I think it should be above 2.

I see your making a KILLING with AA. It's 63 for 63, your not running bad on that end.

I accept the points you make, and to be frank i should have the numbers at that point.
Only thing is, and you'll have seen it some on i-poker is that these guys at 200nl still are pretty bad. And i dont think i need to get those numbers much higher as i wo0uld be killing the game if not running bad (looks like 5-7bbs/100)

But yeah, my stats are low on those points and shifting them up would be optimum.

From what I've seen, I think you're playing too much of an American game on non-american sites. You said it yourself, Pokerroom is where Party was years ago. Follow ILikeAces' old guide. I had the same problem, most posters play on PokerStars and have to follow more advanced strategies as the player pool is generally much better. You're playing on a site where the "regulars" would be a rare fish on other sites. Everyone else at the table is a 45/6. Play old school TAgg and clean up.

The site is made up of very weak, very loose passives. Which means, if these guys show aggression post-flop (assuming they aren't a spewtard) you're beat. Also, even though they show weakness, doesn't mean they won't call you down with top pair crap kicker. So just wait for a good hand and value town them.

Originally Posted by Galapogos

From what I've seen, I think you're playing too much of an American game on non-american sites. You said it yourself, Pokerroom is where Party was years ago. Follow ILikeAces' old guide. I had the same problem, most posters play on PokerStars and have to follow more advanced strategies as the player pool is generally much better. You're playing on a site where the "regulars" would be a rare fish on other sites. Everyone else at the table is a 45/6. Play old school TAgg and clean up.

The site is made up of very weak, very loose passives. Which means, if these guys show aggression post-flop (assuming they aren't a spewtard) you're beat. Also, even though they show weakness, doesn't mean they won't call you down with top pair crap kicker. So just wait for a good hand and value town them.

yeah i took 5k hands to figure this, then started losing every show down with big pairs

your a good player man, just play some 2NL to get confidence up

Whatever you do dont go back to 25NL again

latest fun beat at 3/2 Nl on bodog.

I open for $12 UTG, sb a big fish calls.

flop is rags two clubs, he overpots it, about 120% so i push, thinking that if i play it this fast he'll call.
He nearly times out then calls with KQclubs, so i waited for the club.

Sure enough it hits the river. GG another $450.

Hopefully you had a hand at least.

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Hopefully you had a hand at least.

aces obviously

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

latest fun beat at 3/2 Nl on Bodog.

I open for $12 UTG, sb a big fish calls.

flop is rags two clubs, he overpots it, about 120% so i push, thinking that if i play it this fast he'll call.
He nearly times out then calls with KQclubs, so i waited for the club.

Sure enough it hits the river. GG another $450.

You're on tilt. Bad beats are bad beats, everyone has them. But everyone doesn't complain about it.

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

latest fun beat at 3/2 Nl on Bodog.

I open for $12 UTG, sb a big fish calls.

flop is rags two clubs, he overpots it, about 120% so i push, thinking that if i play it this fast he'll call.
He nearly times out then calls with KQclubs, so i waited for the club.

Sure enough it hits the river. GG another $450.

I always wonder what their thought process is when they almost time out doing this. Figuring the odds is easy enough so it's not this, plus the odds are bad anyway so if they were doing that they would fold. So are they just sitting there waiting for a "lucky" feeling or what?

Hang in there mate! You are a good player!
As you say, I think you need a break. Psychologically speaking it's very difficult to play against the fish (even if very rewarding at the long run) as you never know what they can do (i.e. calling a push on the flop with a gutshot and suckout!).

Originally Posted by galapagos

"Play old school TAgg with a stress ball in your hand and clean up in the long run"

Originally Posted by Galapogos

most posters play on P0kerStars and have to follow more advanced strategies as the player pool is generally much better. You're playing on a site where the "regulars" would be a rare fish on other sites.

Prove it. With facts, figures, whatever. Not flawed and incomplete logic, hearsay or US-centric bias. I'm serious. I am convinced that the "difficulty" of Stars (and FT, to a lesser extent), coupled with the "fishiness" of the US-unfriendly sites, is the biggest and possibly most misleading myth in online poker.

Originally Posted by biondino

Originally Posted by Galapogos

most posters play on P0kerStars and have to follow more advanced strategies as the player pool is generally much better. You're playing on a site where the "regulars" would be a rare fish on other sites.

Prove it. With facts, figures, whatever. Not flawed and incomplete logic, hearsay or US-centric bias. I'm serious. I am convinced that the "difficulty" of Stars (and FT, to a lesser extent), coupled with the "fishiness" of the US-unfriendly sites, is the biggest and possibly most misleading myth in online poker.

That's quite a task and honestly I don't know what facts and figures it would take to prove it, nor am I really interested in going through the effort. I'm just going by the fact that in the hands posted by Pokerstars/FullTilt players they are put to much more difficult decisions in fairly common situations than I see. And that the vast majority of the online community believes this to be so.

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

latest fun beat at 3/2 Nl on Bodog.

I open for $12 UTG, sb a big fish calls.

flop is rags two clubs, he overpots it, about 120% so i push, thinking that if i play it this fast he'll call.
He nearly times out then calls with KQclubs, so i waited for the club.

Sure enough it hits the river. GG another $450.

I always wonder what their thought process is when they almost time out doing this. Figuring the odds is easy enough so it's not this, plus the odds are bad anyway so if they were doing that they would fold. So are they just sitting there waiting for a "lucky" feeling or what?

If he figures his K or Q is a clean out, then this isn't really a bad call. Obviously in this case against AA its pretty bad, but if miffed's range here is like all pairs 99+ its almost flipping.

Originally Posted by griffey24

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

latest fun beat at 3/2 Nl on Bodog.

I open for $12 UTG, sb a big fish calls.

flop is rags two clubs, he overpots it, about 120% so i push, thinking that if i play it this fast he'll call.
He nearly times out then calls with KQclubs, so i waited for the club.

Sure enough it hits the river. GG another $450.

I always wonder what their thought process is when they almost time out doing this. Figuring the odds is easy enough so it's not this, plus the odds are bad anyway so if they were doing that they would fold. So are they just sitting there waiting for a "lucky" feeling or what?

If he figures his K or Q is a clean out, then this isn't really a bad call. Obviously in this case against AA its pretty bad, but if miffed's range here is like all pairs 99+ its almost flipping.

Yeah, I shouldn't have used this hand as the example. Anyway, we've seen it enough times where do this whole bit when they're put to a decision with only a flush draw on a paired flop.

Originally Posted by biondino

Originally Posted by Galapogos

most posters play on P0kerStars and have to follow more advanced strategies as the player pool is generally much better. You're playing on a site where the "regulars" would be a rare fish on other sites.

Prove it. With facts, figures, whatever. Not flawed and incomplete logic, hearsay or US-centric bias. I'm serious. I am convinced that the "difficulty" of Stars (and FT, to a lesser extent), coupled with the "fishiness" of the US-unfriendly sites, is the biggest and possibly most misleading myth in online poker.

please play 200nl on pokerroom in a very standard fashion and tell me how big your winrate is.
I can guarentee you'll crush someone of the same level playing in a stars 200nl game.
Sure their are fish, but not as many and not as bad. Also, youve played on crypto, which is easily the toughest non-US site about.
The euro sites are still disgustingly easyo to beat upto and including 400nl, the big difference is at 3/6nl.
Bodog is still super fishy at 2/3 3/6nl games.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

latest fun beat at 3/2 Nl on Bodog.

I open for $12 UTG, sb a big fish calls.

flop is rags two clubs, he overpots it, about 120% so i push, thinking that if i play it this fast he'll call.
He nearly times out then calls with KQclubs, so i waited for the club.

Sure enough it hits the river. GG another $450.

You're on tilt. Bad beats are bad beats, everyone has them. But everyone doesn't complain about it.

im pretty sure this is the first time ive made a serious post about running bad, other than stating im taking time off because im not on my A+ game.
Still, i agree my reaction isnt A+ to this, which is why im taking a break to restore the 'he made a donk decision and got lucky nh sir' type mentality.

Originally Posted by griffey24

Originally Posted by Galapogos

Originally Posted by Miffed22001

latest fun beat at 3/2 Nl on Bodog.

I open for $12 UTG, sb a big fish calls.

flop is rags two clubs, he overpots it, about 120% so i push, thinking that if i play it this fast he'll call.
He nearly times out then calls with KQclubs, so i waited for the club.

Sure enough it hits the river. GG another $450.

I always wonder what their thought process is when they almost time out doing this. Figuring the odds is easy enough so it's not this, plus the odds are bad anyway so if they were doing that they would fold. So are they just sitting there waiting for a "lucky" feeling or what?

If he figures his K or Q is a clean out, then this isn't really a bad call. Obviously in this case against AA its pretty bad, but if miffed's range here is like all pairs 99+ its almost flipping.

thsi is exactly what i wanted him to think, which is why i pushed.

belated response removed

Originally Posted by biondino

Prove it. With facts, figures, whatever. Not flawed and incomplete logic, hearsay or US-centric bias. I'm serious. I am convinced that the "difficulty" of Stars (and FT, to a lesser extent), coupled with the "fishiness" of the US-unfriendly sites, is the biggest and possibly most misleading myth in online poker.

I've played on most sites and I can't really prove with any facts but I think it's pretty obvious sites like Party and Everest are way softer than Full Tilt or Poker Stars. I just have a way easier time finding big fish on those sites compared to a Poker Stars or a Full Tilt.
If I thought for a second that Stars was as fishy as Party I would be playing there for sure, they are a better site than Party in every other way IMO.

i think party is still probably a lot more fishier, but it might be a little exaggerated because of people remembering how party used to be, which im sure has gotten worse too.