Quote Originally Posted by bosco4621 View Post
most decent villains bluff the river at 100NL enough to make the hero 4 bet shove a realistic option.
if the villain is bluffing, and will therefore fold more or less his entire range to a shove, what value do you get from shoving..? your theory is way off... bluff or boat makes this a call surely.. unless you believe the villain will call to manipulate his image for later hands.