more wtf river bets 100nl

Both odd river bets from really fishy players.

1)
V is 51/10/1
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Button ($100)
SB ($62.45)
BB ($100)
Hero (UTG) ($136)
MP ($112.50)
CO ($190.80)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 8, A
Hero bets $3.50, 3 folds, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($8) 10, 4, 10 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.50, SB calls $5.50

Turn: ($19) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $11.60, SB calls $11.60

River: ($42.20) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $41.85 (All-In)

I bet the turn for value because his most likely hand is a flush draw and I beat most flush draws. I'm betting pretty much all rivers.

2)
V is 65/35/3
No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (4 handed) - Hold'em Manager Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (BB) ($144.45)
UTG ($71)
Button ($228.90)
SB ($121.85)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 10, J
1 fold, Button bets $3.50, SB calls $3, Hero raises $14, 1 fold, SB calls $11.50

Flop: ($33.50) 10, 4, 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $16.80, SB calls $16.80

Turn: ($67.10) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($67.10) 7 (2 players)
SB bets $67.10

hand 1
I don't see the need to cbet because he probably calls with every better hand he has
if I do cbet I make it half pot
I don't see the need to bet turn either, do you really want to take him off 22,33,55,66 when he could have a lot of combinations that crush you and are never folding like JT,QT,T9,44,77,TT and some that you need to fire three streets to make him fold like 88,99,JJ,AhXh
and there is no way that his most likely hand is a flush draw, he has a flush draw about 5% of the time here on the flop (do some combinatorics), and he calls the flop maybe around 50% so it's 1/10 of his range
and is river really a decision? I have a goal written down "don't pay off donk shoves on the river"
not sure if you agree with that

hand 2
do this pf with AT/AJ/KQ instead for thin value so you can play for stacks more comfortably when you flop top purr
can't help with river because it's one of those spots where I decide based on mood because I have no idea

1) pretty easy flop check, turn come on man what are you doing? I'd fold the river probably.

2) preflop horrible, river i call if its a bet pot button, fold on stars.

Originally Posted by dev

I bet the turn for value because his most likely hand is a flush draw and I beat most flush draws. I'm betting pretty much all rivers.

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He flats a UTG raise from the SB and check-calls a blank flop and you think his most likely hand is a flush draw? You need to learn how to hand read. He almost definitely is on a flush draw less than 10% of the time, probably less than 5%.

Next, you're betting the turn and river in position because you think Ace high is good? This does not make sense at all. You should be choosing between betting the turn and checking the river, and checking the turn and calling a river bet on a blank.

The main reason I put him on a flush draw was something I forgot to mention in the post. He snap called flop and turn and snap shoved the river.