Multiway pots still confuse me

UTG player is a fish with 52/15 stats so I wasn't really sure what kind of hands he opens, if he's positionally aware 3bing is kind of bad
BB is a reg

I can't really pokerstove this because there are different stack sizes
that said, I probably don't want to get this in
should I be folding to the minraise? looks like he has me crushed and wants me to put in additional money bad and I'll just be spewing between two people with better equity
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (Button) ($103.50)
SB ($116.90)
BB ($179.80)
UTG ($35.50)
MP ($176.85)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, Q
UTG bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $2, SB calls $1.50, BB calls $1

Flop: ($8) 8, Q, J (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG bets $2, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, BB calls $9, UTG raises to $16, Hero calls $7, BB raises to $177.80 (All-In), UTG calls $17.50 (All-In), Hero folds

I think folding to the minraise is better.

You don't like getting it in on the flop, you hate a lot of turn cards and really even on a total blank you don't like a big turn bet.

3bet and iso the fish PF

I'd still iso ore and men get it in pre too. Calling is okay. Id prob shove after fish reraises flop to iso again.

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

I'd still iso ore and men get it in pre too. Calling is okay. Id prob shove after fish reraises flop to iso again.

shoving is lol bad because he has two pair+ every time after he minraises here, he just wanted to re-open the betting so one of us could shove
unless I have the read that he plays top pair like the nuts of course

Fish has 35bb so my tptk is the nuts for me.

there are like no ranges you can assign to the fish and the reg that would put us ahead here

Really? Reg will fold a huge amount and u think the fish is crushing me?

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

Really? Reg will fold a huge amount and u think the fish is crushing me?

I think reg folds a huge amount
other than the 5% of the time when he calls and we're screwed
but getting that fold is immaterial if we only win the pot maybe 1/3 of the time against the fish

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

3bet and iso the fish PF

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

3bet and iso the fish PF

This and I don't think I'd raise the flop.

Originally Posted by meeloche

Originally Posted by ATOTHEC101

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

3bet and iso the fish PF

This and I don't think I'd raise the flop.

I was trying to play for stacks with the fish, but he let me know I was crushed

Can't fold if you raise for value right iopq?

Originally Posted by Parasurama

Can't fold if you raise for value right iopq?

owned

This hand tilts

Originally Posted by Parasurama

Can't fold if you raise for value right iopq?

doesn't apply when fish min3bs you
this = always the nuts

so you were bluffing on the flop?

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

so you were bluffing on the flop?

no, but his minraise should have told me he has two pair or better because he sure isn't bluffing with that bet sizing

OMGZ
POKAR RULEZ HAVE EXCEPTIONS

so you can raise for value but then fold to a re-raise?

Originally Posted by bigspenda73

so you can raise for value but then fold to a re-raise?

i was gonna answer but i see wot u did there

This hand tilts me a lot. Isolate fish all day preflop. Postflop, I don't mind the flop raise given the donks bet sizing, but after you're cold called by the reg you're in all sorts of trouble. I probably raise flop harder, this isn't a board you want to be messing around with and you'd rather donk just jam. Prob make it around 12.

Flatting the fishes 3bet on flop seems ok, cause raising will get us owned by the reg a lot. Once reg comes over top, I don't see how we can continue here.

Reg can have tonssss of huge hands here, cold calling the flop raise to keep the fish in. Fold for sure.

when the reg cold calls us on teh flop and the fish clicks it back, id fold faster than i fold with 72o pre

Originally Posted by nutsinho

when the reg cold calls us on teh flop and the fish clicks it back, id fold faster than i fold with 72o pre

this imo