need some lines at 3/6

hand 1
the only thing i recalled about villian at the time of the hand was that once he lead into me small after i had raised preflop, i had raised and he had folded. how do i get all the money in? his bet kinda shocked me.

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Hero ($963.57)
CO ($263)
Button ($333.27)
SB ($593)
BB ($549.78)
UTG ($381.28)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, J. SB posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, Hero raises to $20, 3 folds, BB calls $14.

Flop: ($43) 6, J, 6 (2 players)
BB bets $122.4, Hero ?

hand 2
i called preflop because i thought the PFR could easily be pushed around postflop, but then i flopped a nice draw. whats my line?

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UTG ($927.75)
MP ($541.43)
CO ($290.60)
Hero ($608.10)
SB ($306.57)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 8. SB posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls $6, MP raises to $22, 1 fold, Hero calls $22, SB (poster) calls $19, BB calls $16, UTG folds.

Flop: ($94) 2, 4, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets $50, Hero ?

hand 3
no reads or anything..

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Button ($628.80)
SB ($628.10)
BB ($480.50)
UTG ($409.20)
Hero ($975.20)
CO ($576)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7, 8. SB posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls $6, Hero raises to $25, 1 fold, Button calls $25, 1 fold, BB calls $19, UTG folds.

Flop: ($84) J, 5, 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $75, Button folds, BB calls $75.

Turn: ($234) Q (2 players)
BB bets $125, Hero ?

Hand one: No matter how you play it you're getting all of the money in and winning this hand. Your opponent shit himself and announced, "OMFG I HAVE THREE SIXES, QQ-AA" and you will pwn him in the end. You can push flop or wait, but either way it looks like this guy is going all the way. Sooner rather than later (you don't want AA-QQ filling up)

Hand Two: This hand is why I don't like *calling*, even in position, with AXs. You got the flop you wanted (two clubs), but this guy might think his AA-88 is good here. Play it one of two ways, very fast or just call and see what he does on the turn. Even if he bets you can still push turn like you have a set and still win the hand. You have a lot of outs, any 8 could be good here, maybe even an ace...obviously clubs, or a five.

Hand Three: Grrr...It looks like the villian has a hand here so I don't think pushing can be profitable in the long-run (he'll call you too many times). Maybe he has AhQh? QQ, JJ, etc? Call and hope for a good turn or fold?

hand 4
oops one more...villian has been leading alot into me, but it was always when i had raised, so i was unsure how to take his money.

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Button ($518)
SB ($1258.09)
BB ($600)
Hero ($1325.30)
MP ($729)
CO ($396.64)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4, 4. SB posts a blind of $3.
Hero raises to $20, 3 folds, SB (poster) raises to $69.86, 1 fold, Hero calls $52.86.

Flop: ($151.72) 3, 8, 4 (2 players)
SB bets $155.74, Hero ?

Hand 1: I smooth call here in position and see if he fires again on the turn.

Hand 2: You can always raise here, but I think villain likes his hand enough to go to the river with, so if you raise this flop I think you have to go with it if he pushes. I might just call the flop on this hand though.

Hand 3: This is a tough hand, but I don't think your FE is huge in this hand. You're getting 3-1 on a call here and you have 9 outs for sure, and a 7 is likely an out. I think he can beat one pair however so I doubt and 8 is good for you. You have implied odds and decent pot odds to chase here, since villain can't really put you on a flush draw. I call this turn bet.

Hand 4: He reraised you preflop and made a pot-sized bet into this pot, pretty much annoucing he has an overpair. I would raise his flop bet because there is no way he puts you on a set. Besides, with stacks this deep you need to build the pot to get all of his stack in there.

Hand 1: Call flop get the rest in on later streets.

Hand 2: Raise to 150-175. Call a push.

Hand 3: Prbly put it in but its kind of gray b/c he is so short.

Hand 4: Raise to 355 and stack his big pair?

hand 1: tough decisions like these are teh rock. i suppose you're agonizing over which move gets the stack and which one gets him off the hand. since you are SO far ahead here, i think a call is in order. he is obviously feeling frisky and there is a good chance he'll continue on the turn for another large bet. give him a chance to make is 666xx boat or worse AKd flush, while at the same time giving him room/more rope to try to fix the mistake from the OOP flop bet with another overbet to cover up.

hand 2: raise it up in position w/ two overs and the nut flush draw on the flop. let's say he's got a pair between your A8 like red 10-10:

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1629136
pokenum -h ac 8c - td th -- 2c 3c 4s
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing 4s 3c 2c
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac 8c 524 52.93 448 45.25 18 1.82 0.538
Td Th 448 45.25 524 52.93 18 1.82 0.462

that's right, you're ahead since you can also nab a 5 to stay alive. since you're in position, so use it to throw some weight around here. you might get a fold, which would require the least amount of effort for your A8c to catch up (none).

hand 3: tough one, he makes a really nice bet OOP on the turn there considering he'd be looking at the river pot size of nearly $375 w/ only $250ish left at that point if you just call, good enough odds to just push (some call this pot committment, so be careful he can make a bad push with a slightly better hand if you don't improve). feels like he's putting you to the test here with that bet, or he assumes you're going over him and he's ahead. judgment call, what was your first instinct here? you can have an instinct reaction w/o a read or any time at the table, that is allowed. i think this is the toughest decision of the 4 hands, btw.

hand 4: wow, big stacks for this situation make it really interesting. i really want to find out you got it all there and then flexed like the hulkster upon receiving the shipment. raise it between 2.5-3x his raise, he's bound to at least call that w/ AA , KK, QQ and then you're still in position after he checks the turn to you with pee running down his leg, or pushes into you while far behind, barring a miracle 2 outer.

were you thinking about smooth calling here? that board is teh rags, so i could see how you'd be tempted. thing is, it's SOOOO tough to sell a draw on that board, what did you call a PFRR w/ 45 suited? sometimes we do, but not often enough for players to think they have to notice something like that. accordingly, i think you have to go fast here.

1) just call incase he is bluffing and get it allin on turn
2) make it 140
3) usually just fold here

1 call I ususally let my clock run down in this situation, and let them think like I am making a tough decision. If he bets the turn, I push. If he checks, I check behind and either push or value bet the river.

2 call You have an inside straight draw and nut flush draw getting 3 to 1 on a call. You could raise, but you would just be hoping for a fold. I think there is more value in calling.

3 call You are getting 3 to 1 again with a pair and a flush draw. you almost never have the best hand, and your fold equity is zlmost zero. You effectively have BB pot committed though, so a call has implied odds.

4 call There are no draws on board, so your goal is just to get the most money in the pot possible. If SB has a hand like JJ, he may be able to let it go for a raise, since he can see as well as you can that your most likely raising hand is a set. Another option is to raise small (2.5 times his bet or so) and hope he has AA or KK and is willing ot come over the top.

#1 call
#2 raise ~150 call a push, he either has 2 overcards and will fold, or will push with a mid PP and you have 12 outs.
#3 a toughie.. I would have to make some equity calculations before answering this one..
#4 I raise here every time. Stacks are too deep to just call if you want to get most of his stack here. ~350-400 seems like a good amount.

hand 3... could villian have something like 9T or KT hearts?

If you are raising high cards, then the only hand that hit you was AJ or 2 hearts. Your c-bet doesn't really mean much to him... the Q has to scare you if you have AJ or TT or something. He is repping AQ or KQ - and he might have it, to. he could have TP + a draw as well.

I think the crux is - if you flat call - will he put you on 2 hearts and fold if you river the flush? It's disasterous to call and then not stack him if you hit your 9 outer.

Nice donk bet by villian, I wouldn't be surprised if he has a clue.

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

2 call You have an inside straight draw and nut flush draw getting 3 to 1 on a call. You could raise, but you would just be hoping for a fold. I think there is more value in calling.

Even though he's ahead in probability, he's likely behind in the hand, so a villain fold here wouldn't be the end of the world. If he were ahead in probability AND in the hand, I think a call might make more sense since he could further improve (like if villain was drawing to a smaller flush that hits) and switch into value betting mode. At any rate, it's not a bad call, either, so I could really see this decision being less about the specific hand and more about how gabe wants to interact w/ this villain on future hands. It could serve as a nice setup hand from which gabe could change gears later, whichever direction he takes. This hand could give the villain an impression on how gabe plays draws, so he has to keep this one in mind for the rest of the session against villain regardless of outcome.

Originally Posted by Demiparadigm

4 call There are no draws on board, so your goal is just to get the most money in the pot possible. If SB has a hand like JJ, he may be able to let it go for a raise, since he can see as well as you can that your most likely raising hand is a set.

I think the very reason you state (no draws on board) is the same reason I advocate a raise 2.5-3x the size of the flop lead out. So I'd like to work through this with you, since our foundation is shared but our approaches vary. Granted, you acknowledge both examples as possibilities, but I like the raise more, here is why:

You can't sell a draw on that flop, so a smooth call indicates more strength than a controntation via raise. At least w/ the raise line you can possibly get him to go over the top or call. But if you're the villain and OOP and lead out into that board and get called, you really have to slow down on the turn. The time for a big pot to get developed on that hand is the flop, not the turn or river. If it gets big then, it's because villain catches a miracle and beats you, OR the villian decides to take it all the way downtown on a bad read. Since gabe points out aggression OOP by the villian here, he's got to get the villain invovled NOW, on the flop before any other scare cards come out that fizzle the action (like if villain has JJ and a K or A drops on the turn, which gabe himself wouldn't like anyway for other reasons).

hand 1: i called, we got allin by the river and he had T6s. he didn't hit quads.

hand 2: i made it $220, the shortstack SB went allin and the original raiser folded, i suckedout to beat his 32o.

hand 3: i called, spiked 7 on river and pushed. he had AJ and i win.

hand 4: i made it 350 and he folded.

Originally Posted by gabe

hand 1

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Hero ($963.57)
CO ($263)
Button ($333.27)
SB ($593)
BB ($549.78)
UTG ($381.28)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J, J. SB posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, Hero raises to $20, 3 folds, BB calls $14.

Flop: ($43) 6, J, 6 (2 players)
BB bets $122.4, Hero ?

pause for a lil bit like youre thinking and cold call? This can look like AJ and you arent sure what to do with it. Hes OOP, is he gonna way over bet the pot, then check fold? It seems like he has to put another bet in, eh? After he bets the turn just put him all in? Bleh its a really weird hand, if he had a stack about your size it would be much easier to play. Maybe just push the flop after he makes this wierd ass bet? That completely masks your hand, he cant possibly put you on the (pretty much-) nut full house. And what is he overbetting that hes folding?

so either just push, or check call, then if he bets big again push, or if he checks to you I might just check again. Youre in pos, I dont get how he can check fold this now, and hes gotta make a bet for half his stack to bet at it, and then what, hes gonna fold? idk...

I just ran the call line i suggest through my head, and it screams JJ. I think I just pound it in there on the flop. I just dont see how any hand that doesnt call your all in is going to give you any money with another line.

Originally Posted by gabe

hand 2
i called preflop because i thought the PFR could easily be pushed around postflop, but then i flopped a nice draw. whats my line?

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BB ($793.15)
UTG ($927.75)
MP ($541.43)
CO ($290.60)
Hero ($608.10)
SB ($306.57)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, 8. SB posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls $6, MP raises to $22, 1 fold, Hero calls $22, SB (poster) calls $19, BB calls $16, UTG folds.

Flop: ($94) 2, 4, 3 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, MP bets $50, Hero ?

smooth call, reraise the turn, repping the set. If he checks the turn just throw out a bet and have him fold his AQ/AK. And the blinds we dont really have to worry about I dont think, this isnt a board that you have any reason to think they are gonna do anything but fold after thier checks.

Originally Posted by gabe

hand 3
no reads or anything..

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Button ($628.80)
SB ($628.10)
BB ($480.50)
UTG ($409.20)
Hero ($975.20)
CO ($576)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 7, 8. SB posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls $6, Hero raises to $25, 1 fold, Button calls $25, 1 fold, BB calls $19, UTG folds.

Flop: ($84) J, 5, 7 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $75, Button folds, BB calls $75.

Turn: ($234) Q (2 players)
BB bets $125, Hero ?

youve got odds to call dont you? you could also push? Youve got 5-14 outs, and some times are ahead vs the nut flush draw. And you def have folding equity. meh.. I dont know this is a pretty tough one.

Originally Posted by gabe

hand 4
oops one more...villian has been leading alot into me, but it was always when i had raised, so i was unsure how to take his money.

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Button ($518)
SB ($1258.09)
BB ($600)
Hero ($1325.30)
MP ($729)
CO ($396.64)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 4, 4. SB posts a blind of $3.
Hero raises to $20, 3 folds, SB (poster) raises to $69.86, 1 fold, Hero calls $52.86.

Flop: ($151.72) 3, 8, 4 (2 players)
SB bets $155.74, Hero ?

pound the flop if hes paying you, hes paying you, if not, then not. Sure it sucks to have him fold when hes got a 200bb stack, so do you and you have a set. But fuck it, if you play it any other way it screams "OMFGSET, GIMME YO 200BB pUH-LEEZ SIR KTHX"

Originally Posted by gabe

hand 1: i called, we got allin by the river and he had T6s. he didn't hit quads.

hand 2: i made it $220, the shortstack SB went allin and the original raiser folded, i suckedout to beat his 32o.

hand 3: i called, spiked 7 on river and pushed. he had AJ and i win.

hand 4: i made it 350 and he folded.

looks like Im a lil late to this shin-dig.