non-suited connectors in 6 max

i mean hands like T9 to 87 or even gappers like T8, off suit. do you play them in co or button if 2 or 3 fish players have limped? although being suited is better it doesn't pay as a much as a hidden straight against the fish's 2 pair, they seem to fear aces and flushes the most plus baby flushes are a no limit mother . knowing that you have position and and you can take a huge pot if you hit or even steal it in some cases are they profitable to limp after 2-3 bad players? do you play them and when?

If stacks are deep and if they go too far with TP and such.

it is rare for me to limp with any hand after 2-3 limpers ahead. if i want to be in the hand at that point, then i raise it. i really rarely ever call after limps like that, even with low pairs. if you want to play gappers from position, raise them up. occasionally you'll hit the miracle flop with 3-4 others in the hand. but since you have position in your example question, use it to your advantage. as you suggest, you can often steal the pot when an ace falls on the flop, but usually only when it's heads up, with 3-4 limpers, someone usually has an ace and you'll have to keep firing from position on all streets for that chance to steal. sometimes they just won't let it go no matter what you do.

i find myself playing gappers nearly always from position, after i've raised. and they're best when you catch a better piece than overpair or TPTK as Ping suggests. and as Ping also suggests, they're not really worth playing if stacks are not deep.

Originally Posted by alias2211

it is rare for me to limp with any hand after 2-3 limpers ahead. if i want to be in the hand at that point, then i raise it. i really rarely ever call after limps like that, even with low pairs. if you want to play gappers from position, raise them up. occasionally you'll hit the miracle flop with 3-4 others in the hand. but since you have position in your example question, use it to your advantage. as you suggest, you can often steal the pot when an ace falls on the flop, but usually only when it's heads up, with 3-4 limpers, someone usually has an ace and you'll have to keep firing from position on all streets for that chance to steal. sometimes they just won't let it go no matter what you do.

i find myself playing gappers nearly always from position, after i've raised. and they're best when you catch a better piece than overpair or TPTK as Ping suggests. and as Ping also suggests, they're not really worth playing if stacks are not deep.

The thing about small pairs, and in particular suited connectors and one gappers is that they're much more profitable in multiway pots. I raise small pairs when I'm the first in 6 handed, but if there are a few limpers then I'll limp as well. With a hand like a suited connector you want to limp with them because if you flop your hand then somebody else might get stacked if they flop a set or top two.

Originally Posted by aislephive

Originally Posted by alias2211

it is rare for me to limp with any hand after 2-3 limpers ahead. if i want to be in the hand at that point, then i raise it. i really rarely ever call after limps like that, even with low pairs. if you want to play gappers from position, raise them up. occasionally you'll hit the miracle flop with 3-4 others in the hand. but since you have position in your example question, use it to your advantage. as you suggest, you can often steal the pot when an ace falls on the flop, but usually only when it's heads up, with 3-4 limpers, someone usually has an ace and you'll have to keep firing from position on all streets for that chance to steal. sometimes they just won't let it go no matter what you do.

i find myself playing gappers nearly always from position, after i've raised. and they're best when you catch a better piece than overpair or TPTK as Ping suggests. and as Ping also suggests, they're not really worth playing if stacks are not deep.

The thing about small pairs, and in particular suited connectors and one gappers is that they're much more profitable in multiway pots. I raise small pairs when I'm the first in 6 handed, but if there are a few limpers then I'll limp as well. With a hand like a suited connector you want to limp with them because if you flop your hand then somebody else might get stacked if they flop a set or top two.

I agree with aisle. The only time Ill raise suited connectors in LP after limpers is sometimes when playing super lag just to keep the image up and its usually still a multi-way pot.

OK sure, I don't disagree that it's more profitable when there is multiway action when you hit your miracle flop w/ suited connectors in 6MAX. More stacks = bigger pots. But this is 6MAX afterall, and there isn't really a lot of multiway action anyway after the flop, it's much more common for it to be heads up on the flop. Accordingly, it's easier to use position to your advantage in this situation. I mean, yes, it does happen that you'll get two stacks from a monster flop, of course. But usually what happens is that you have only one other really interested party on the flop, the other limpers fold because they missed. So you pickup 2-3 more BBs, not the type of value that I think Aisle is interested in getting by limping. That is why I try to concentrate on post flop play w/ SCs shorthanded. Limping late w/ SCs in full ring has to be more valuable in general, but I just don't find myself wanting to do it much in 6MAX at all. Sometimes, but used sparingly to be sure.

I should also let you know that if it's 3-4 limpers to me on the button I'll bet the pot quite often, just my style. I have enough confidence in my post flop play that I really want to get mixed up w/ one other player, and either get the most value for my best hand, or knock them off a better hand. And there's no better place to knock someone off a better hand than when you have position on them.

Originally Posted by alias2211

OK sure, I don't disagree that it's more profitable when there is multiway action when you hit your miracle flop w/ suited connectors in 6MAX. More stacks = bigger pots. But this is 6MAX afterall, and there isn't really a lot of multiway action anyway after the flop, it's much more common for it to be heads up on the flop. Accordingly, it's easier to use position to your advantage in this situation. I mean, yes, it does happen that you'll get two stacks from a monster flop, of course. But usually what happens is that you have only one other really interested party on the flop, the other limpers fold because they missed. So you pickup 2-3 more BBs, not the type of value that I think Aisle is interested in getting by limping. That is why I try to concentrate on post flop play w/ SCs shorthanded. Limping late w/ SCs in full ring has to be more valuable in general, but I just don't find myself wanting to do it much in 6MAX at all. Sometimes, but used sparingly to be sure.

I should also let you know that if it's 3-4 limpers to me on the button I'll bet the pot quite often, just my style. I have enough confidence in my post flop play that I really want to get mixed up w/ one other player, and either get the most value for my best hand, or knock them off a better hand. And there's no better place to knock someone off a better hand than when you have position on them.

What limit in 6 max can you bet pot on the button after the whole table has limped and get the pot heads up?

Originally Posted by aislephive

What limit in 6 max can you bet pot on the button after the whole table has limped and get the pot heads up?

I think you're suggesting that we're comparing apples to oranges here, and there is probably some validity to that concern It's probably a fair assumption that when you bet the pot at $25NL on the button with 3 limps ahead that a raise of $1.50 won't get much respect. But that is something you need to take into consideration based on the table. If all a pot bet results in is a call around making a huge party pot on the flop, then don't keep doing it! Instead you limp, as you're supporting in this forum, or overbet the pot for like $3-4\ (at $25nl), if all a pot sized bet is doing is increasing the amount of money in the pot when you have marginal holdings (SCs). What it boils down to is knowing the game that is being played and realizing your place in it. Sometimes this means limping, sometimes raising. But I still fall down on the side of raising because of what raising does in a general sense at the NLHE table. I just don't like to limp unless I do it in such a circumstance that I like my hand/position and that I can expect a PFR from someone else on the table. Of course I do limp, of course. But I don't like it and I try to find a reason to do it as opposed to trying to find a reason not to do it. When I started taking that approach in a general sense I started playing winning poker.

FWIW, I normally play anywhere from 1/2NL-5/10NL tables depending on what is a good game. When you lay down a pot sized bet at those levels, maybe it's more noticeable and therefore respected because of the dollar amount (at 5/10 you're looking at 50-75 if you want to slightly overbet the pot, too).