Normal swingyness for a new 6max NL player?

Is this type of variance normal? This is my first 11k hands of NL 6max, and NL in general.

Also, is it just me or is there definetly a recognizable pattern in the second half of this picture....

FWIW - to me it looks like you're at breakeven. - Thats not bad most players lose...

At this level I think you can almost survive on AA/KK/QQ alone - what I'm saying is tighten up. They will go to SD - don't try cbing.. hit the set, go for draws late - push very hard preflop with AA-JJ (1/3 to all stack).

Hit and punish.. Miss and fold... at this level

There is no spoon.

Learn to play better and this will change.

25NL can be played almost variance free I would think.

From the unrepresentable sample I've seen you play, you could def use to increase your skill level on picking up small pots post flop. Maybe try and post your stats so the guys can look at them.

Looks normal.

For a heartbeat.

Get stacked less often. I'm betting there's more TPTK/2 pair hands taken too far in there than there needs to be.

Originally Posted by Warpe

Get stacked less often. I'm betting there's more TPTK/2 pair hands taken too far in there than there needs to be.

This is what I was thinking. No way you should have four 3 buyin downswings over 10k hands at 25NL. You prolly need to tighten up the strength of hand you are willing to stack off with.

Originally Posted by Triptan3s

Looks normal.

For a heartbeat.

I lol'ed

In all seriousness, this kind of variance is anything besides normal at NL10 and NL25 (I've faced it at NL100, but even though that game is fishy it plays much more aggressive than lower stakes). You have leaks thats why you are swinging so much and basicly breaking even. Post more hands. Maybe tighten up a bit preflop until you feel comfortable again.

You should tighten up UTG and play a lot more hands on the Button, especially for a raise. You can call a raise preflop with pocket pairs now, unlike in LHE.

I'm jealous of your blinds.

swings happen

Gabe, So how did it feel to break even after 92,000 hands? At which point did you make an adjustment and what was it that put you over the hump?

I wouldn't accept a 90,000 hand breakeven stretch as variance or swings; especially since you were probably 8 tabling.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I'm jealous of your blinds.

My numbers are downright sick. Once I realized that the blinds weren't raping me, I made some pretty drastic adjustments.

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I wouldn't accept a 90,000 hand breakeven stretch as variance

i would. ive talked to a few NL 6 max players that have alot more experience than me and 100k breakeven stretches are commonplace. however, i think that while most of it is related to variance, i know after the first 75k hands i was playing like shit. i think this is pretty common too--having a long streak without winning then you start to lose your edge, and before you know it you are on a 20 buyin slide.

i cashed out a bunch around the time of that big peak in the middle, then after the drop that followed that i was forced to drop down in stakes beacuse i didnt have much in my account. this helped get my confidence up so i could get back to beating the games im used to playing.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I'm jealous of your blinds.

My numbers are downright sick. Once I realized that the blinds weren't raping me, I made some pretty drastic adjustments.

what

Originally Posted by gabe

what

Mostly UTG & HJ play.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I'm jealous of your blinds.

My numbers are downright sick. Once I realized that the blinds weren't raping me, I made some pretty drastic adjustments.

Now I am curious.

Originally Posted by Cocco_Bill

Originally Posted by Fnord

Originally Posted by elipsesjeff

I'm jealous of your blinds.

My numbers are downright sick. Once I realized that the blinds weren't raping me, I made some pretty drastic adjustments.

Now I am curious.

Fnord is always a tease

My blind results made me very ok with open limping in a wider range of spots. If I wasn't getting my ass handed to me with any 2...

For a long time I had results similar to Renton's from EP as well. Comparisons with blind play also cleared up where all the money was going.

That being said, NL100 players are terrible at blind play and make opposite, yet predictable mistakes once you peg them on a play style.

Not enough time in the NL200 tank yet to say how well that scales.

Once we get to the BN/CO it's back to raise or fold outside of very particular table conditions. Especially since I tend to select tables where tight/predictable players have position on me. Being last to act in a raised pot is very powerful and makes lukewarm showdownable hands easy to play.