Not Sure if this is a Tough Spot

After not playing for 2 months I guess I should expect to be lost in boring spots.

Had no stats on villain at this point but I d seen him limp-call a ton. I’ve only see him showdown one hand in a big pot and it was the turned nuts on an 89xT board, so haven’t seen him to go to war with weak hands despite his preflop fisniness seeing a lot of flops.

Also he’s been doing ridic donk shit like min betting into PFR on 3 streets and folding to river raises…

I m curious about all streets fwiw. Also don't be afraid to follow replies with LDO...

$200 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 10, 12:01:35 ET 2007
Table Table 125784 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 4: HERO ( $398.05 USD )
Seat 6: BaldMancTwat ( $200 USD )
Seat 5: MrJansa ( $114.85 USD )
Seat 3: dingdangdo7 ( $285.64 USD )
Seat 2: VILLAIN ( $289.93 USD )
Seat 1: Don_Timon ( $143 USD )
BaldMancTwat posts small blind [$1 USD].
Don_Timon posts big blind [$2 USD].

** Dealing down cards **

Dealt to HERO
VILLAIN calls [$2 USD]
dingdangdo7 folds.
HERO raises [$9 USD]
MrJansa folds.
BaldMancTwat folds.
Don_Timon folds.
VILLAIN calls [$7 USD]


** Dealing Flop ** (21$ pot)

VILLAIN checks.
HERO bets [$20 USD]
VILLAIN raises [$40 USD]
HERO…(decision #1) calls [$20 USD]

** Dealing Turn ** (101$ pot)

VILLAIN bets [$40 USD]
HERO…(decision #2) calls [$40 USD]

** Dealing River ** (181$ pot)

VILLAIN bets [$75 USD]
HERO…

I play the same and call.
Some will say "raise flop"
Why? Most of the time worse isn't calling.
Some will say "raise the turn"
Why? The best fd he can have is a Qd really, and thats streching it. Most of the time he has a horrible diamond if one and we should bluff pretty much any diamond river because of this.
Some will say "raise river"
Flush draw got there and i just doubt we beat more than half of his calling range.

I play it the same and call river. fwiw I think the river is closer to a fold than a raise but a call is much better than either.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I play the same and call.
Some will say "raise flop"
Why? Most of the time worse isn't calling.
Some will say "raise the turn"
Why? The best fd he can have is a Qd really, and thats streching it. Most of the time he has a horrible diamond if one and we should bluff pretty much any diamond river because of this.
Some will say "raise river"
Flush draw got there and i just doubt we beat more than half of his calling range.

I think you're overestimating this guy. I doubt he's check-minraising the flop with a flush draw, so the likelihood of a flush should be pretty heavily discounted. The hands you're worried about are full houses, which are possible but not likely if he plays top pair the same way (which a lot of donks do). If he's the type that slow plays his big hands, then this becomes an even easier river raise.

i might say "fold the turn"

He's a passive fish who we haven't seen get active without a good hand. I think if he had A-x he would check the turn or make a smaller bet (1/5 PSB or smaller). I'd give him credit for top two pair or better and fold.

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

i might say "fold the turn"

I'm kinda partial to this myself actually. Min-betting into the PFR is a lot different than min-raising. So I call the flop min-raise because I just can't fold to those, but once he fires again on the turn I'm done. This is probably A7.

Originally Posted by Galapogos

This is probably A7.

close

Originally Posted by Genitruc

Originally Posted by Galapogos

This is probably A7.

close

89, KQd/KJd or even just AQ/AJ played badly.
If hes bad its an easy call down

id have to call turn. he bet 40 into 101 pot so ill call that

Originally Posted by Da GOAT

id have to call turn. he bet 40 into 101 pot so ill call that

i'd like to hear why nobody is thinking set here? sure, he limp-calls a lot, but here he also c/r'ed the flop with a minraise on an A high board...do we think he wanted you to do more than call here? i call or RR here, tho.

then, he leads the turn for not even half the pot? either he is a serious idiot (jury still out), or he has you beat. when he leads river super-small with plenty behind, i doubt hes afraid of the board.

looks to me like you got coolered with a card that filled him up.

if you bluff, it would have been the turn, but since hes limp-calling a lot, i can see why you dont bluff this guy. you are also just strong enough to call down, and pay for info...hell, you could feasibly win the pot (it wouldnt surprise me).

i'm beginning to wonder if it wouldnt have been cheaper and stronger looking to RR the flop to $100-$125, and be done if called?? why take this further than the flop with that draw up there?

just my thought process...which is so full of holes. looking for criticisms, too.

If anyone thinks he should fold anywhere in this hand they should be burned.

Ok maybe that's over-the-top.

Now being serious, I like how you played it if you called the river.

I'll wait a bit longer be4 results in case someone wants to chime in with something that hasn't been said.

fwiw it's worth here was the thought process :

pre : punish wheeee

flop : bet for value wheeeee. huh? Oh. I get it. You prob have a shitty ace. If you have 2 pair gg I'm stacking off. Or you're making some strange play with a draw to get me to fold air LOL I CALLZ cuz I don't want to gamble with this donkey. Gonna pump a non-diamond, non 6/J turn if he bets again.

turn : Ewww. All the draws are there. Hmm you bet small. Guess you're taking me to value-town. Good thing you sux and don't build pots well!

River : Ugh. Worst card ever. Now there's only 1 other ace in the deck.
Oh. You bet small? Hmm. You must really like your hand! Sure sux that it's so unlikely that you have worse trip A's cuz I KNOWZ u won't fold that to a push... Fuck Fuck Fuck what do I do (voice in back of mind saying "lol call and get sold a map to Value Village").

Originally Posted by Genitruc

turn : Ewww. All the draws are there. Hmm you bet small. Guess you're taking me to value-town. Good thing you sux and don't build pots well!

I am confused about the last part of this statement. While this bet certainly doesn't help him to get a big river bet in, why does the fact that his bet sizing suck influence your decision here? If he has two pair or better, we are way behind/dead. Are you planning on bluffing if a 4th diamond hits on the river?

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

Originally Posted by Genitruc

turn : Ewww. All the draws are there. Hmm you bet small. Guess you're taking me to value-town. Good thing you sux and don't build pots well!

I am confused about the last part of this statement. While this bet certainly doesn't help him to get a big river bet in, why does the fact that his bet sizing suck influence your decision here? If he has two pair or better, we are way behind/dead. Are you planning on bluffing if a 4th diamond hits on the river?

no i m just happy he didn t bet closer to pot so as to take my entire stack on river if he s ahead and I call

fold pre flop, clearly villain is going to suck out on you

Originally Posted by benny999

fold pre flop, clearly villain is going to suck out on you

obv

guess i m just really rusty

Excuse my ignorance, but when these types who constantly limp/ call pre-flop with their suited trash etc actually raise pre-flop, don't they always have a decent hand. I'm assuming Villain is playing 30/6, although you haven't mentioned. Surely his range is more heavily leaning towards AK, AQ, or big PPs as is his CR on the flop. Which probably means you got as much value as possible with your line, as long as you called the river.

you're probably beat but for the price no way are you folding this

I called and was shown A5o shipthemoniezshouldhavepushedlol

VERY next hand his stats appeared on my Hud : 44/24/4... not sure if it would ve made turn/river any easier to play

Originally Posted by Kagey

Excuse my ignorance, but when these types who constantly limp/ call pre-flop with their suited trash etc actually raise pre-flop, don't they always have a decent hand. I'm assuming Villain is playing 30/6, although you haven't mentioned. Surely his range is more heavily leaning towards AK, AQ, or big PPs as is his CR on the flop. Which probably means you got as much value as possible with your line, as long as you called the river.

imo, with a 30/6...sure, his stats say he raises quality, but can limp trash. but, you still have to watch him show something down before jumping to major conclusions about post flop lines.

and, since he was more like 40/25, going by "stats" tells me that i have beat pf practically all day long, but that still doesnt tell me much post flop. he could have hit two pair, or could be taking a shot with crap....you still need reads.