OOP w/ KK overpair vs raise on drawy flop BvB semi-deep(2/4)

Villain runs 27/18, reasonably aggressive postflop, no history. Game hasn't been 4-handed very long, no one has been getting out of line yet.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $4 BB (4 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($1197.50)
BB ($610.70)
UTG ($324)
Button ($349.30)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K, K.
2 folds, Hero raises to $14, BB calls $10.

Flop: ($28) J, 7, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $23, BB raises to $64, Hero feels he should know what the standard move here is and why.

call the flop raise. If the stacks were closer to 100BB i think 3bet shoving would be a good way to get called by J-x.

check/call a non 7/9/J/spade turn, check/fold the river unless he makes a super small bet on a blank river or something.

check/raising a safe turn seems spewy given the depth of the stacks.

everything is possible here imo

your decision all depends on table flow, your image, etc.

without any meta then I don't really think it matters since you're probably flipping vs BB's range if he's solid and in very good shape if he's capable of bluff-raising scary flops from time to time

so it all depends what gear you guys are in. sometimes you should never fold this, sometimes you should always fold this (since his range will be either flipping or crushing you).

I really think there's no standard answer because there shouldn't be

In general though I'd prob 3-bet/call the flop line since he'll earn himself a free card so often when he misses the turn and also it'll be tough to know which card helped his hand

calling the raise and leading lots of turns could be good too

Would he have reraised 99 and 77 pre?

I have stats like this a lot of the time and I can always have 77 and 99 here fwiw

with ur image here halv anything but a call would be bad

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

call the flop raise. If the stacks were closer to 100BB i think 3bet shoving would be a good way to get called by J-x.

check/call a non 7/9/J/spade turn, check/fold the river unless he makes a super small bet on a blank river or something.

check/raising a safe turn seems spewy given the depth of the stacks.

Do we get semi-bluff raised too often on the turn to call flop and lead turn?

Originally Posted by minSim

Originally Posted by Vi-Zer0Skill

call the flop raise. If the stacks were closer to 100BB i think 3bet shoving would be a good way to get called by J-x.

check/call a non 7/9/J/spade turn, check/fold the river unless he makes a super small bet on a blank river or something.

check/raising a safe turn seems spewy given the depth of the stacks.

Do we get semi-bluff raised too often on the turn to call flop and lead turn?

I think a smart opponent would probably raise a turn lead, since given our flop action he couldn't really give us credit for a very strong hand.

How about raising it up to like $160? There are probably a lot of draws in his range.. I doubt he has T8 so it's either a drawy hand, a hand you're ahead of (like top pair) or a set. You'll be first to act again on the turn if you call, so I'd just raise it further on the flop..

I would just call. I would lead the turn on a safe card.

To those saying call and lead safe turn, what's your plan on unsafe turn? Because counting and spade or any card 6-Q as unsafe, there's 32/47 cards you're trying to dodge on the turn. Probably 30/45 as opp is likely to have 2 of them, but that still means 2/3 times a scare card will hit the turn.

I think i like sticking in a decent sized raise to $150 ish, as the board is scary enough that you're happy to take it down now, and if opp bets again at any point on almost any turn/river card you are in another horrible spot.

(Disclaimer - I've never played above 25NL so don't really know what these tables are like)

Flop: ($28) J, 7, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $23, BB raises to $64, Hero calls $41.

Turn: ($156) 7 (2 players)

This is a good turn card for us, right? Effective remaining stacks are ~530 though, so it's not a comfy spot by any means.

CR seems kinda quirky but I think I prefer it to lots of other stuff.

I mean you re onlyworried about 9's now so you pretty much have the best of it.

He might think that s a good card to bluff though.

Also, couldn't cr get him off 78?