Optimal play with a mega draw in a 3way pot

PFR is playing 66/23/48 (agg freq) over 100h. He's picking up pots by betting people of hands for 3 streets all the time, donking streets, etc. Just being very loose and aggressive.

The other caller plays 28/8/27 over 75 h.

I actually think pre should be a 3bet for value, but w.e.
Basically there's the aggressive way to take or the passive way. I figured to take the passive way to get the 3rd guy to call behind.
Is my thinking right or is my draw way too strong to not raise flop?
Is c/ring turn an option?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP ($50)
CO ($52.30)
Button ($100)
Hero (SB) ($53.40)
BB ($60.30)
UTG ($57.25)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, K
2 folds, CO bets $2, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.75, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6) Q, 10, 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50, BB calls $3.50

Turn: ($16.50) 4 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets $6, Hero calls $6, 1 fold

River: ($28.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

c/r flop is the only way to play this hand imo. you have to assume the fish is going to call or jam, which is a good thing, and you almost always force out the decent reg. As played c/r the turn isn't good because nothing improved and villains wont give you credit for much because you should raise the flop with so many strong hands since the board is so draw heavy.

I agree pf should be a 3 bet and the flop should be a c/r. You frequently have the best hand on the flop and you certainly have enough equity to get in.

Wow.. I didn't know it was possible to flop this huge and NOT c/r...

Big hand but its still a draw. Getting the others to fold is a good result, and getting in on the flop is the next best thing.

just calling this flop seems criminal..we're going to have trouble getting paid off once we hit and we're definitely ahead on the flop so raise.

Just to be clear, the only reason I even considered calling was the 3rd guy in the pot. Because I'm calling this guy can call with all kind of weakish draws that I dominate and will make second best hands against me.

Also I assumed my implied odds are great against the PFR even if I'm calling.

(not that I don't agree with raising flop, I just didn't see anyone considering the 3rd guy and I thought it was quite important)


Apart from that, does our plan change if we're having one of these draws (if so, why?):
1. T9
2. A2
3. KJ

raisy daisy

Originally Posted by minSim

Just to be clear, the only reason I even considered calling was the 3rd guy in the pot. Because I'm calling this guy can call with all kind of weakish draws that I dominate and will make second best hands against me.

Also I assumed my implied odds are great against the PFR even if I'm calling.

(not that I don't agree with raising flop, I just didn't see anyone considering the 3rd guy and I thought it was quite important)


Apart from that, does our plan change if we're having one of these draws (if so, why?):
1. T9
2. A2
3. KJ

1. I might c/c this hand or c/r sometimes. Our hand is often good, so we can c/c and hope to get to SD and also have good equity. If he's the type to spazz on any draw here, I might c/r and hope to get it in vs some KJ/AK type hand.

2. I would c/r here and hope he has a hand like KJ, or some other worse draw that wants to get it in. Sucks when we're against AQ though.

3. I would c/c here since we have good equity and good hidden BD outs which might get paid off better if we hit.

Griffey, maybe I'm overthinking this (especially for my stakes) but haven't people adjusted these days by not paying of your KJ and not calling a c/r with worse draws much?

I.e. hitting KJ is pretty obvious once you get aggressive, is your plan to c/c the turn when you hit? Or would you c/r with like 65 as well?

I would be check/raising this flop all day long. the fish will do stupid shit with worse draws alot, which is cool, and no way I want to play the rest of the hand OOP with so much equity vs a late reg open. (or almost any open really).

if you had been dealt smaller suited connectors, like 76s, possibly be looking for opportunity to 3bet pre? depending on opponent, obv.

Originally Posted by minSim

Griffey, maybe I'm overthinking this (especially for my stakes) but haven't people adjusted these days by not paying of your KJ and not calling a c/r with worse draws much?

I.e. hitting KJ is pretty obvious once you get aggressive, is your plan to c/c the turn when you hit? Or would you c/r with like 65 as well?

Yah if I hit and villain was aggressive I'd probably let him triple barrel and put in a river c/bomb.

If we c/c KJ, we can also rep spades on later streets.