Pingviini on Hold'em: How to lose with AA

#1

***** Hand History for Game 360112674 *****
0/0 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) - THU JAN 19 14:25:33 EDT 2006
Table Suzuka (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: assopoker ( $2,117.25)
Seat 2: prince888 ( $2,268.75)
Seat 3: Saalistaja ( $1,587.75)
Seat 4: CaptSpaulding ( $1,186.00)
Seat 5: oreman ( $993.00)
prince888 posts small blind (5.00)
Saalistaja posts big blind (10.00)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Saalistaja [ Ad, As ]
CaptSpaulding folds.
oreman folds.
assopoker raises (35.00)
prince888 folds.
Saalistaja calls (25.00)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 9h, 7d, Js ]
Saalistaja checks.
assopoker checks.
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Ah ]
Saalistaja checks.
assopoker bets (70.00)
Saalistaja raises (140.00)
assopoker raises (280.00)
Saalistaja raises (600.00)
assopoker raises (1,732.25)
Saalistaja bets (812.75)
Saalistaja is all-In.
** Dealing River ** : [ 3h ]
** Summary **
Main Pot: $3,708.00 | Rake: $2.00
Board: [ 9h 7d Js Ah 3h ]
assopoker balance $-381.00, bet $386.00, collected $3,708.00, net +$-383.00 [8h Th] [ flush ]
prince888 balance $-3.00, lost $5.00 (folded)
Saalistaja balance $-1586.75, lost $1587.75 [ Ad As ] [ three of a kind ]
CaptSpaulding balance $1.00, didn't bet (folded)
oreman balance $993.00, didn't bet (folded)

#2

***** Hand History for Game 361499008 *****
0/0 TEXASHTGAMETABLE (NL) - WED JAN 25 15:13:19 EDT 2006
Table Suzuka (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Mexx ( $1,371.16)
Seat 2: Saalistaja ( $1,425.00)
Seat 3: MrDeeez ( $1,210.00)
Seat 4: nordthekid ( $1,839.25)
Seat 5: YGTBSM ( $1,122.45)
Saalistaja posts small blind (5.00)
MrDeeez posts big blind (10.00)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Saalistaja [ Ad, Ac ]
nordthekid folds.
YGTBSM calls (10.00)
Mexx calls (10.00)
Saalistaja raises (35.00)
MrDeeez calls (30.00)
YGTBSM calls (30.00)
Mexx calls (30.00)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 3s, 6h, Kh ]
Saalistaja bets (170.00)
MrDeeez calls (170.00)
YGTBSM folds.
Mexx calls (170.00)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Td ]
Saalistaja bets (550.00)
MrDeeez folds.
Mexx calls (550.00)
** Dealing River ** : [ 5s ]
Saalistaja bets (665.00)
Mexx bets (611.16)
Mexx is all-In.
** Summary **
Main Pot: $3,044.16 | Rake: $2.00
Board: [ 3s 6h Kh Td 5s ]
Mexx balance $-1368.16, bet $1371.16, collected $2,990.32, net +$-1369.16 [6c Th] [ two pairs ]
Saalistaja balance $-1370.16, bet $1425.00, collected $53.84, net +$-1371.16 [Ad Ac] [ pair ]
MrDeeez balance $-209.00, lost $210.00 (folded)
nordthekid balance $1.00, didn't bet (folded)
YGTBSM balance $-39.00, lost $40.00 (folded)

#3

***** Hand History for Game 2658054428 *****
$400 NL Texas Hold'em - Monday, September 05, 12:11:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 55211 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: hartvey1 ( $648.60 )
Seat 2: Freagles ( $305 )
Seat 3: robindesbois ( $489.55 )
Seat 6: pako8 ( $47.90 )
Seat 4: VPingu ( $529 )
Seat 5: Cheddarmon ( $392 )
Cheddarmon posts small blind [$2].
pako8 posts big blind [$4].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to VPingu [ As Ac ]
hartvey1: so easy
hartvey1 raises [$8].
Freagles folds.
robindesbois calls [$8].
VPingu raises [$25].
Cheddarmon folds.
pako8 folds.
hartvey1 calls [$17].
robindesbois calls [$17].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3c, 6h, Kc ]
hartvey1 checks.
robindesbois bets [$15].
VPingu raises [$55].
hartvey1 folds.
hartvey1: wow this is easy
robindesbois raises [$185].
hartvey1: ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
VPingu is all-In.
robindesbois is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 2c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3h ]
robindesbois shows [ Ks, 3s ] a full house, Threes full of kings.
VPingu shows [ As, Ac ] two pairs, aces and threes.
VPingu wins $39.45 from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and threes.
robindesbois wins $1007.10 from the main pot with a full house, Threes full of kings.

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1st should try to keep the pot manageable I guess
2nd I possibly didnt fuck up. Either win that ok pot on turn or lose big.
3rd fold to 3-bet.

1: results aside, why did you check the turn in hand 1?
2: with two limpers already, and being out of position, why not raise more preflop?

I've seen this a lot and was wondering whether your raise is standard play.

If you are playing TAG, $35 seems like a pretty whimpy raise to me.

$35 raise is to $40 and it had got mostly 1 caller. At the time I didnt feel raising more was in order.

Gabe: #1 I was going for a check-raise, as you can see. what is your line here?

I'm not very good with these but I'm going to go try.

Inhand two you raise to $40 and get 3 other callers.

On the flop the pot is $160 and you lead out for a bet of 170.
Me no likey. Who's going to REALLY call you? Heck, a smart player who's beating you now will not raise, since this might make it an EASY fold for you.

The flop is K63 and anyone with a set of 6's or 3s is going to call that bet.

TWO people called your bet on the FLOP and you still kept firing... game is over... you were commited by then.
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I'm a wuss so this is how I'd played it.

I raise to $40 and then lead out with 90. If a flush/set decides to min raise my ass or whatever, I'll probably call but then CHECK the turn and decide what to do then.

If no one raises me and then justs calls, then I'll lead out once again on the turn.. but with caution.

I just HATE betting OOP with THAT flop and betting out HARD.

I'm a wuss I guess....

Originally Posted by Pingviini

Gabe: #1 I was going for a check-raise, as you can see. what is your line here?

but the flop was checked through...

if i miss the checkraise on the flop i am definitely leading the turn. if he has AK or something hes not letting it go, and checkraising him there (after flop checks) might push him off any one pair hand.

also, its more likely he thinks you are bluffing by leading the turn instead of check raising it.

Originally Posted by gabe

1: results aside, why did you check the turn in hand 1?
?

Nice catch on hand 1 gabe.

I did not see the check, check/raise on that hand. I lead out the turn as well.
[Even though I wouldn't have check raised to begin with ]


I think either way he was going to lose his stack on this hand.

These hands just project what can happen when you arent fully concentrated when playing. I am pretty confident that I wouldnt lose my whole stack against that straight/flush if I had thought before 10-betting that turn. That OOP against T6 was playing like a dark tunnel bluff, I dont think I thought more than 2 seconds before acting every street, take your time, think, then act. Did not happen this time. Live and learn, hopefully.