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 Originally Posted by sauce123
a few quick pointers- I don't like donking except when my goal is to deny them a Cbet because their cbetting, callling CR frequencies and chking back frequencies play well against my specific hand. So sometimes I'll lead to avoid facing that scenario. The only flops which make a lot of sense to donk as part of a balanced strategy are ones which are great for our range, maybe JT8hh, 986dd etc. And if you do indeed decide to donk, it is probably best to eliminate check/raise and probably check/call altogether and just play 80% lead and 20% C/F or some frequency like that. cliff nots: leading sucks.
Sauce - your posts are awesome.
It's interesting that you say this. I used to lead a TON and now I hardly lead anymore. Though I do think leading is good against people that check behind a lot of flops. I also think its good on boards where our value range is conceivably wide, but where a c/r reps like nothing (ie: 943ss - A c/r here in terms of value doesn't rep too much, but a lead can be very wide (all 9x+, FDs, combos) - also gives us a chance to continue on a lot of turn cards).
How do you feel about the flop c/c, turn lead lines, vs players that pot control turns a lot? I also like this line sometimes, because it looks kind of BS so people will float the turn bet, and their river range when you check and give up initiative again is very wide with a lot of air.
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