PSB on dry flop = bluff?

Villain is very loose and aggressive (don't have stats in front of me but I think 45/20+) and he's been on my table at least one other time. I have one note in PT - "bluffs" - which means he bluffed more than once with mid pair or less. Otherwise I would have made a more descriptive note. The prior hand I raise 56s against him and hit trips 5s on the turn vs. his JT when he hit the T for top pair. That was a $25 pot. I was playing tight and I kept missing and folding to reraises on this table for an hour or so. I think people felt I was a good candidate to push around at times. So, the last 4-5 hands I played I was more aggressive and reraising back.

His full pot flop smelled very fishy. I mean look at the board - no danger. This led me to believe he didn't have the King. I'm thinking Ax or TT at that point. On the turn I was going to just call but I don't see that card helping him so I figured I would put him to the test. He just called on a card that introduces a flush (even though it's only a backdoor) and str8 potential. I think AK,Kx would push here since it's most likely going all in on the river anyway and those hands can't improve much. He quickly pushed the river.

What do you think of my play here? If I feel ahead on the flop and turn, I have to call this river right?

***** Hand History for Game 4951765322 *****
0/0 Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) - Tue Aug 15 00:45:33 EDT 2006
Table Live It Up (Real Money) -- Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Hero ( $136.15)
Seat 2: Boomstick27 ( $245.50)
Seat 3: Nolimit1971 ( $354.95)
Seat 4: caulkmuncher ( $110.15)
Seat 5: KAK__ ( $181.45)
Seat 6: saibr1 ( $100)
Boomstick27 posts small blind (0.50)
Nolimit1971 posts big blind (1)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Jc, Jh ]
caulkmuncher folds.
KAK__ folds.
saibr1 raises (4) to 4
Hero calls (4)
Boomstick27 folds.
Nolimit1971 folds.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Kd, 4h, 7c ]
saibr1 bets (9)
Hero calls (9)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ 8c ]
saibr1 bets (20)
Hero raises (40) to 40
saibr1 calls (20)
** Dealing River ** : [ 2h ]
saibr1 bets (47)
saibr1 is all-In.

Is he a good enough player to have noticed you playing back at him and trying to trap you with what looks like a bluffy overbet?

I would re-raise this hand PF.

If you think you are ahead on the flop and turn then I guess you should call, but do you really think he his betting all 3 streets without a K? What is his standard cbet size? When he made those bluffs earlier did he make big or small bets?

What are we hoping to accomplish with our minraise on the turn? If I think Im ahead Im probably just trying to get to the showdown cheap here. Is he going to call that raise with worse hands?

If I were to play the hand from the beginning, Id 3bet preflop and go from there.

As played I really just cant imagine he has a hand we beat given the action, even though we only need to be correct here about 1/3 of the time I still dont know if we should be calling. I think we really complicated things and bloated the pot with our turn raise.

Originally Posted by nogenius

I would re-raise this hand PF.

Me too, but not every time.

Originally Posted by biondino

Is he a good enough player to have noticed you playing back at him and trying to trap you with what looks like a bluffy overbet?

Trapping somebody with a pot-sized bet on that flop anticipating they will play back at you? I doubt he's thinking 12 levels deep.

Originally Posted by andy-akb

What are we hoping to accomplish with our minraise on the turn? If I think Im ahead Im probably just trying to get to the showdown cheap here. Is he going to call that raise with worse hands?

If I were to play the hand from the beginning, Id 3bet preflop and go from there.

As played I really just cant imagine he has a hand we beat given the action, even though we only need to be correct here about 1/3 of the time I still dont know if we should be calling. I think we really complicated things and bloated the pot with our turn raise.

My underpair can't handle many cards that may come on the river. My turn raise was a "I think you are full of it - let's end the charade" bet. I think raising here is simplifying things for me, especially if he folds. But then he called...

Originally Posted by r8ed

Originally Posted by andy-akb

What are we hoping to accomplish with our minraise on the turn? If I think Im ahead Im probably just trying to get to the showdown cheap here. Is he going to call that raise with worse hands?

If I were to play the hand from the beginning, Id 3bet preflop and go from there.

As played I really just cant imagine he has a hand we beat given the action, even though we only need to be correct here about 1/3 of the time I still dont know if we should be calling. I think we really complicated things and bloated the pot with our turn raise.

My underpair can't handle many cards that may come on the river. My turn raise was a "I think you are full of it - let's end the charade" bet. I think raising here is simplifying things for me, especially if he folds. But then he called...

Any action that leads to a fold will obviously simplify things. What hands do you put him on, why did you think he was full of it? Say he has AQ, he only has 6 outs against you on the river, if he only has one card higher than yours he has 3 outs. In this situation I think we should be keeping the pot small instead of trying to protect our marginal hand. Are any hands we beat sticking around after our raise? If any are, would they push the river?

Originally Posted by r8ed

Originally Posted by nogenius

I would re-raise this hand PF.

Me too, but not every time.

Originally Posted by biondino

Is he a good enough player to have noticed you playing back at him and trying to trap you with what looks like a bluffy overbet?

Trapping somebody with a pot-sized bet on that flop anticipating they will play back at you? I doubt he's thinking 12 levels deep.

1- this is a reraise everytime against any aggressive player
2- i used to think this way too, but then i started increasing my bet sizes with big hands to make sure the pot was big enough to get it allin by the river.

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by r8ed

Originally Posted by nogenius

I would re-raise this hand PF.

Me too, but not every time.

Originally Posted by biondino

Is he a good enough player to have noticed you playing back at him and trying to trap you with what looks like a bluffy overbet?

Trapping somebody with a pot-sized bet on that flop anticipating they will play back at you? I doubt he's thinking 12 levels deep.

1- this is a reraise everytime against any aggressive player
2- i used to think this way too, but then i started increasing my bet sizes with big hands to make sure the pot was big enough to get it allin by the river.

1 - I should have but didn't.
2 - I don't see that at Party 100NL often if at all. This is why I thought if he had a King or a set he would want me to stick around to see the turn by betting less on such a dry board. Usually full pot flop bets HU at 100NL are to protect a hand vs a draw. I was playing tight most of the time - I played back enough to keep some people honest but I didn't overdo it.

so if hes protecting his hand vs a draw, he probably has a king or a set, right? i dont think hes protecting TT very often.

Just calling preflop and getting the whole rest of your stack in when an overcard hits doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. If he's this aggressive, he'll definitely be bluffing here some of the time, but I don't think it'll be often enough to justify calling him down.

Well I should have said:
Usually full pot flop bets HU at 100NL are to protect a hand vs a draw...or they have a hand where they don't want a call.

There's no draw remotely possible here however which led me to believe I was ahead. Plus the fact that I won the hand before off him after raising 56 and he's likely to bluff. This was my reasoning at the time.

or they put you on a hand that will call them and they want to get paid

OK. I guess everyone is in agreement that this blows. Besides the missed preflop reraise what line should I take? Fold flop or turn? Call down?

fold turn after he bets again

RR pf everytime. What are you doing on the turn? Your decision should be call/fold. Raising here is terrible. The only better hands you fold out are QQ/JJ. Just fold on the river. His line would be pretty retarded for a bluff, especially since his push is less than 1/2 pot.

His full pot flop smelled very fishy. I mean look at the board - no danger. This led me to believe he didn't have the King.

This is very flawed thinking. C-betting full pot more of a style thing. Unless you've seen him c-bet 1/2 - 3/4 pot with made hands then suddenly comes firing full pot on a dry board, then don't look too deeply into these things.

I don't think full pot was his usual bet amount - that's why it seemed a little strange. Turns out he had 34c. What I stated here is what I thought at the time but when I thought about it later I wanted to run it by you guys. Thanks for the feedback - this is an unusual play by me...and rightfully so

As played, the flop call is fine. I normally fold the turn. If it should be anything else its a call, a raise here turns your hand into a bluff tbh