QQ - Interesting Hand - Discuss

No reads on anyone at the table.
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PokerStars Game #5340384938: Hold'em No Limit ($2/$4) - 2006/06/23 - 12:31:43 (ET)
Table 'Peacock' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: lakes37 ($274.45 in chips)
Seat 2: check_kills ($807.65 in chips)
Seat 3: sscstmz ($385.65 in chips)
Seat 4: WSU Slacker ($395 in chips)
Seat 5: packers0641 ($382 in chips)
Seat 6: [595-ESCAPE] ($394 in chips)
lakes37: posts small blind $2
check_kills: posts big blind $4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to [595-ESCAPE] [Qh Qc]
sscstmz: calls $4
WSU Slacker: folds
packers0641: raises $4 to $8
[595-ESCAPE]: raises $16 to $24
lakes37: folds
check_kills: calls $20
sscstmz: raises $16 to $40
packers0641: calls $32
[595-ESCAPE]: calls $16
check_kills: calls $16
*** FLOP *** [9s Qs Kh]
check_kills: checks
sscstmz: checks
packers0641: bets $84
[595-ESCAPE]: raises $270 to $354 and is all-in
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Discuss it all.

I think there's a good chance you're up against AA or KK preflop. The set is nice, but if another player has KK you're toast.

Without reads, it's hard to say. I probably would have folded with the action preflop if I had no reads...

With $24 invested with 3-4 players calling, you fold another $12?

{moved from Shorthanded Limit}

you're welcome to call me a nit. It's hard to play QQ as overcards on a low flop after that betting cycle, or with an A or K on the flop. Same with a set - you're good on a Q high flop, but my courage would waver if I also saw an A or K there.

My instinct with no reads is I'm up against a better hand. The flop tells me we both might have improved, and I might be about to lose a stack.

You're very right that AA - KK is possible and I'm losing my stack here. But if the originally re-raiser had KK or AA, I personally think he'd be betting this flop hard because it is so draw heavy.

Not saying it's a bad play -- the argument I received in a post where I knew the villain had AA to my QQ preflop on an AQx flop was that a fold was incorrect because you can't have that accurate of a read on folks.

In this case though, I'm avoiding those tough post-flop decisions because I'm far from a postflop master. I'd fold QQ once I was convinced I was beat unless I had other information to bring into the decision.

hes getting the right odds to call the pre flop bet just to set hunt

Strange play by the limpraiser. He probably realizes AA isn't good now, maybe you should've just called the flop bet. Although c/f this flop with AA/AK is too weak.. I guess you're pwned here

The flop bettor might be on 99/AK/KQ obviously.

Standard. Raise more PF though, since it was a minraise. Folding to the minraise is awful, we have amazing implied odds. On this flop I'm going all the way with 100xbb stacks every time.

theres actually nothing interesting about this hand

Originally Posted by gabe

theres actually nothing interesting about this hand

Yeah, agreed. Ridiculously standard.

Originally Posted by gabe

theres actually nothing interesting about this hand

ty for the contributions.

So how'd it turn out?

*** FLOP *** [9s Qs Kh]
check_kills: checks
sscstmz: checks
packers0641: bets $84
[595-ESCAPE]: raises $270 to $354 and is all-in
check_kills: folds
sscstmz: folds
packers0641: folds
[595-ESCAPE] collected $327 from pot
[595-ESCAPE]: doesn't show hand

Originally Posted by allLiving

Originally Posted by gabe

theres actually nothing interesting about this hand

ty for the contributions.

i know i sounded like an ass, but what street is debatable?

I thought it was interesting that he limp re-raised, then checked first to act.

I guess he gave up on his AA.

Would there be any merit in calling the bet, hoping that one of the two people who checked, push? Getting more money in the pot? I can see AA/AK folding to a push (even 99), but no way they don't call that bet? A call, by you, in position, just signifies you may have something, but nothing that strong, or you could be on a draw and don't want to quit the hand yet.

Or is the board so scary that you never want to slow play this hand given the preflop action? There's $160 in the pot, so $80 is really just a c-bet/where am I type bet. The only cards you'd hate to see fall are A (and there might not even be any left in the deck). Everything else is fine (though a spade could be a scare card). Plus, if people are on low pp they might just hit their set and come along for the ride.