Quads

Perfect spot for a river check, right?

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saw flop|saw showdown

BB ($109.65)
Hero ($163.70)
UTG+1 ($100.60)
MP1 ($25.50)
MP2 ($55.75)
MP3 ($100)
CO ($122.05)
Button ($89.05)
SB ($96)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with T, T.
Hero raises to $3, 4 folds, CO calls $3, Button calls $3, 2 folds.

Flop: ($10.50) 4, 7, T (3 players)
Hero bets $7, CO raises to $14, Button folds, Hero calls $7.

Turn: ($38.50) T (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($38.50) A (2 players)
Hero ???

Flush board, paired board. He either likes his hand or is folding to any bet. Your only chance at value is to check. Board is too scary for 2 pair or a set. But a flush or boat like his chances even after a reraise. If he has either your getting paid.

You could make an argument for a check-raise but if he's decent I'd rather just bet $30 and hope he calls with the A. It seems impossible for him to have anything that can call a cr and this isn't a great spot for him to bluff either.

Villian called a raise pre, he raised a C-bet on a monotone flop. I think he has a hand. I don't think he needs to bluff here. He value bets, you min raise , he pushes, paid.

play flop faster?

Originally Posted by euphoricism

play flop faster?

I thought about it. If I reraise with top set, what's my plan if villain shoves on a monotone board?

Originally Posted by Trainer_jyms

Villian called a raise pre, he raised a C-bet on a monotone flop. I think he has a hand. I don't think he needs to bluff here. He value bets, you min raise , he pushes, paid.

Disagree. Villain isn't going to make that push with a flush unless he sucks pretty bad and I think the A is a more likely hand for him to have than a flush anyway.

I threebet the flop, something like 40 and then push the turn.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I threebet the flop, something like 40

Again, your plan vs a shove on a monotone board?

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by euphoricism

play flop faster?

I thought about it. If I reraise with top set, what's my plan if villain shoves on a monotone board?

Call!?

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I threebet the flop, something like 40

Again, your plan vs a shove on a monotone board?

call because obviously we're committed with odds for boating and the odd chance of 777 or 444 or T7 or the huge range he could have. I mean seriously dude.

How about if the turn comes a ? That would be sick.

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

Originally Posted by Warpe

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I threebet the flop, something like 40

Again, your plan vs a shove on a monotone board?

call because obviously we're committed with odds for boating and the odd chance of 777 or 444 or T7 or the huge range he could have. I mean seriously dude.

I believe in putting my money in when I'm ahead, not behind. We've been raised on a montone board, even if it is a minraise, so pricing ourselves in to call a shove on that flop is just dumb, imo. If ever there's a spot to control the pot size, this is it, dude.

Good day for quads, it seems:

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SB ($89.95)
Hero ($149.80)
UTG ($187.45)
UTG+1 ($41.50)
MP1 ($65.80)
MP2 ($118.45)
MP3 ($64)
CO ($85.35)
Button ($115.20)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, 8.
2 folds, MP1 calls $1, 1 fold, MP3 raises to $5, CO calls $5, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, MP1 folds.

Flop: ($16.50) 8, 8, 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP3 bets $8, CO calls $8, Hero ???

In the first hand, I play the flop the same way as Iowa here. A flush is unlikely enough that I'll pay it off, and you want to get value from Adx/Kdx/77/33 before the fourth diamond hits. For the same reason, as played I lead the turn for ~$25. As played I lead river for ~pot.

Second hand I flat-call and hope CO catches his flush. I think you might lose MP3's overpair with a c/r and anything except an 8GK or 33 from CO. MP3 only has 50BB left, so if you lose his overpair once the flush hits, that's ok I think.

Originally Posted by Warpe

I believe in putting my money in when I'm ahead, not behind. We've been raised on a montone board, even if it is a minraise, so pricing ourselves in to call a shove on that flop is just dumb, imo. If ever there's a spot to control the pot size, this is it, dude.

Well your completely disregarding the fact that this guy is gonna be forced to shove with any set under yours and that ur punishing him for chasing his draw if he has one. If a diamond comes ur action may completely die. So you have to get it in where a hand like 777,444, t7, or 74 is going to have to stay in.

Originally Posted by Warpe

I believe in putting my money in when I'm ahead, not behind. We've been raised on a montone board, even if it is a minraise, so pricing ourselves in to call a shove on that flop is just dumb, imo. If ever there's a spot to control the pot size, this is it, dude.

Well your completely disregarding the fact that this guy is gonna be forced to shove with any set under yours and that ur punishing him for chasing his draw if he has one. If a diamond comes ur action may completely die. So you have to get it in where a hand like 777,444, t7, or 74 is going to have to stay in.
Anyways, how much is this a diamond draw? If it's a donk, which is likely because he min raised, a shitload. You really want to give him good odds to chase. + reasoning above ^^^^

if you reraise the flop in hand 1, alot of worse hands will call. if they only push with a flush, you then have odds for it. the only reason you reraise at first thought is for worse hands to call.

Explain to me why you're flat calling a raise on any action board with TOP FUCKING SET?

Sure he might have a flush, he also might have one of a gizzillion other hands you have smoked and he'll put his stack behind.

Great day for quads: I do not know how to play them effectively either.

Another K or a spade would be so pretty on the turn.

GAME #481998731: Texas Hold'em NL $1/$2 2007-02-06 00:19:46
Table Hadsund
Seat 1: manupoker1968 ($68.18 in chips)
Seat 3: Aruba42 ($455.10 in chips) DEALER
Seat 5: kasbarian ($67.33 in chips)
Seat 6: JL37 ($292.91 in chips)
Seat 8: Losec42 ($199.60 in chips)
Seat 10: JJ55 ($211.15 in chips)
kasbarian: Post SB $1.00
JL37: Post BB $2.00
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to JL37 4 4
Losec42: Call $2.00
JJ55: Call $2.00
manupoker1968: Fold
Aruba42: Fold
kasbarian: Raise $3.00
JL37: Call $2.00
Losec42: Call $2.00
JJ55: Call $2.00
*** FLOP *** K 4 4
kasbarian: Bet $4.00
JL37: Raise $8.00
Losec42: Fold
JJ55: Raise $12.00
kasbarian: Call $8.00
JL37: Raise $14.00
JJ55: Call $10.00
kasbarian: Call $10.00
*** TURN *** J
kasbarian: Check
JL37: Bet $22.00
JJ55: Fold
kasbarian: Fold
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $101.00 Rake $3.00
JL37: wins $101.00

Originally Posted by Fnord

Explain to me why you're flat calling a raise on any action board with TOP FUCKING SET?

Sure he might have a flush, he also might have one of a gizzillion other hands you have smoked and he'll put his stack behind.

QFT

I never give someone credit for a flopped flush in a 3-way pot. Plus you have all those outs for when you're wrong.

Originally Posted by Fnord

Explain to me why you're flat calling a raise on any action board with TOP FUCKING SET?

Sure he might have a flush, he also might have one of a gizzillion other hands you have smoked and he'll put his stack behind.

You forced me to play it this way. I had to do SOMETHING to get you to post!

good answer