Really Really Bad Play, or reasonable?

$200 NL Texas Hold'em - Sunday, October 02, 21:10:16 EDT 2005
Table Table 48805 (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: ToastedMoses ( $235.50 )
Seat 3: tactical7085 ( $370.90 )
Seat 4: bbeyl ( $383.15 )
Seat 5: River_Wins_Again ( $286.90 )
Seat 6: onthedock ( $218.65 )
ToastedMoses posts small blind [$1].
tactical7085 posts big blind [$2].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to River_Wins_Again [ Ac Qc ]
bbeyl calls [$2].
River_Wins_Again raises [$8].
onthedock folds.
ToastedMoses calls [$7].
tactical7085 calls [$6].
bbeyl calls [$6].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8s, Ad, 3d ]
ToastedMoses checks.
tactical7085 checks.
bbeyl checks.
River_Wins_Again bets [$25].
ToastedMoses folds.
tactical7085 folds.
bbeyl calls [$25].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Qd ]
bbeyl checks.
River_Wins_Again bets [$50].
bbeyl raises [$100].
River_Wins_Again is all-In [$203.90]

PS: I'm leaning to really really bad.

flush?

I'll post results after I get thoughts

Thats why I cut out the results

His play is screaming flush draw that hit with the flop cold call then turn checkminraise pot builder. Have any background info like reads or past hands with the guy? I hate getting into places like this because the pot has just gotten huge after the only draw hit with you holding your dick in your left hand and TPTK in the other hand. Its either push or fold time. If you have a read that says your hand is good then push it now for sure.

I find a fold here against most normal opponents. The situation here is what allows stacks to trade hands - someone hits tptk, someone else hits the draw and tptk gets overplayed. I like to be on the receiving end of these stacks not the giving end.

What flush draw could it be? The Ad and Qd are on the board, and villain is out of position. Would he call a raise OOP with JT of diamonsd? KJ of diamonds? Kinda a crap call if he has one of those, or any smaller sooted connector for that matter.

I actually like your push over. He is trying to represent the flush obviously, but i don't think theres a great chance he has it. You can't check behind here because you give a free card if he's holding AK with the Kd, or any other hand with a diamond in it. Your bet is good, his min raise is to rep the flush, and your push over is because you don't think he has it....If he does, kudos to him.

I'm actually more concerned about 88 here than a flush. At least you have 4 suck outs to beat either of those hands if he calls .

Originally Posted by PokerPatNEU

What flush draw could it be? The Ad and Qd are on the board, and villain is out of position. Would he call a raise OOP with JT of diamonsd? KJ of diamonds? Kinda a crap call if he has one of those, or any smaller sooted connector for that matter.

I actually like your push over. He is trying to represent the flush obviously, but i don't think theres a great chance he has it. You can't check behind here because you give a free card if he's holding AK with the Kd, or any other hand with a diamond in it. Your bet is good, his min raise is to rep the flush, and your push over is because you don't think he has it....If he does, kudos to him.

I'm actually more concerned about 88 here than a flush. At least you have 4 suck outs to beat either of those hands if he calls .

I don't think that a call by him preflop with suited connectors would have been bad at all. He tried to limp, had a raise, a bunch of callers, and now has decent pot odds. It is also very possible that he has K-2 of diamonds because he may be a retard.

The min raise stinks. Very hard to put him on a hand here. I know if I hit that I would have done what he did. For some reason I have the feeling that he flopped two pair and you turned him and he is now playing a street behind.

Originally Posted by PokerPatNEU

What flush draw could it be? The Ad and Qd are on the board, and villain is out of position. Would he call a raise OOP with JT of diamonsd? KJ of diamonds? Kinda a crap call if he has one of those, or any smaller sooted connector for that matter.

I actually like your push over. He is trying to represent the flush obviously, but i don't think theres a great chance he has it. You can't check behind here because you give a free card if he's holding AK with the Kd, or any other hand with a diamond in it. Your bet is good, his min raise is to rep the flush, and your push over is because you don't think he has it....If he does, kudos to him.

I'm actually more concerned about 88 here than a flush. At least you have 4 suck outs to beat either of those hands if he calls .

Oh man I see so many bullshit hands shown down, its hilarious. I raise more often than most preflop, so I regularly see 5To, J6s and all kinds of shit get shown down after PF raises.

I think OP is behind here, and if not then you got bluffed out of a medium sized pot - big deal.

He had 75d

and I didnt catch another A or Q

so he took my stack...

Don't bet the turn. Check behind and give him a chance to rep the flush on the river. This way you keep the pot size down when you're behind, and you'll get value from your hand against lesser holdings.