reraised pot and i have nothing (surprise!)

both players are tags. the only history ive had with villian is when i played him headsup in the first round of a doubleshootout a month or so ago and won.

i didnt bet flop because i didnt want to have to fold to resistance, so i checked and he bet small enough for me to call. turn bet was weird but didnt feel like i needed to draw to the river. thoughts on all streets?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $10 BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

saw flop|saw showdown

SB ($1052)
Hero ($2448.75)
UTG ($4234.90)
MP ($1583.80)
Button ($1596.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 4, 5.
2 folds, Button raises to $35, SB calls $30, Hero raises to $155, Button calls $120, SB calls $120.

Flop: ($465) 3, 2, K (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, Button bets $190, SB folds, Hero calls $190.

Turn: ($845) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $275, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $1120

seems fine don't see any better line possible unless you wanna blast the flop

other possibility is c raising turn but he prob won't believe u played f d passively so I like your line best

I don't play at your stakes but how about leading out on the flop, and maybe calling a small re raise to see the turn, then slowing down on the turn.

This is why I dont like 3-betting pre-flop with 45o

seems like any hand with a K in it he would have shoved pre or folded. Would he really flat call AK/AA/KK here?

Originally Posted by spino1i

This is why I dont like 3-betting pre-flop with 45o

thanks for small stakes advice

Originally Posted by gabe

Originally Posted by spino1i

This is why I dont like 3-betting pre-flop with 45o

thanks for small stakes advice

I think this advice applies even at 10/20 NL 6-max. I mean I know it looks cool to reraise with trash, but I just dont feel its that +EV of a play. I mean you can increase your 3-betting range, but theres a gazillion hands that I would 3-bet with pre-flop before doing it with 45o. As played I would probably raise the flop to 750, might as well try to semi-bluff him out of the pot. Acutally I would have bet flop to begin with, not checked. But if im going to check im going to raise him if he makes a weak bet. Check-call has weakness written all over it which is not what you want with your hand.

I like 350 on the flop.

When i was working on my threebetting strategy at six max, I found it was better (small stakes, mind you) to at least have a suited ace or medium pair in this spot out of position, so you have 30+ percent equity when called, and i've found that reraising with total trash works better when you have position.

Originally Posted by Renton

When i was working on my threebetting strategy at six max, I found it was better (small stakes, mind you) to at least have a suited ace or medium pair in this spot out of position, so you have 30+ percent equity when called, and i've found that reraising with total trash works better when you have position.

A bit ago I did some closer observing of the higher stakes games and these guys are capable of raising, reraising, or calling raises with just about any two. I can somewhat understand reraising, because you can often take down on the flop, but for example I saw a guy simply call a preflop raise with 74s.. I don't understand how something like that can ever be +EV, but yeah..

I just don't understand what you were going for here
Why even call the flop, do you think you can stack him if you hit on the turn?

Originally Posted by jackvance

Originally Posted by Renton

When i was working on my threebetting strategy at six max, I found it was better (small stakes, mind you) to at least have a suited ace or medium pair in this spot out of position, so you have 30+ percent equity when called, and i've found that reraising with total trash works better when you have position.

A bit ago I did some closer observing of the higher stakes games and these guys are capable of raising, reraising, or calling raises with just about any two. I can somewhat understand reraising, because you can often take down on the flop, but for example I saw a guy simply call a preflop raise with 74s.. I don't understand how something like that can ever be +EV, but yeah..

dont be fooled... its not +EV. I can attest to that because at 10/20 NL these are the sorts of mistakes I capitalize on most.

Originally Posted by gabe

i didnt bet flop because i didnt want to have to fold to resistance, so i checked and he bet small enough for me to call. turn bet was weird but didnt feel like i needed to draw to the river. thoughts on all streets?

I guess this is the part I don't get. You raised preflop presumably with the hopes of just taking it down there by representing a biggish hand. The flop then comes pretty perfect for you to continue representing that big hand by betting the flop. Instead you check call a weak bet by the button.

I would have bet the flop.

If I didn't bet the flop, I would have check-raised that flop bet instead of calling it.

Originally Posted by chardrian

Originally Posted by gabe

i didnt bet flop because i didnt want to have to fold to resistance, so i checked and he bet small enough for me to call. turn bet was weird but didnt feel like i needed to draw to the river. thoughts on all streets?

I guess this is the part I don't get. You raised preflop presumably with the hopes of just taking it down there by representing a biggish hand. The flop then comes pretty perfect for you to continue representing that big hand by betting the flop. Instead you check call a weak bet by the button.

I would have bet the flop.

If I didn't bet the flop, I would have check-raised that flop bet instead of calling it.

this is a ring-thing. you feel like you ll get paid when you hit your draw, but you don't feel like you have a lot of fold equity so you play passively.

it'd be interesting for ppl to elaborate on situations where you "don't wanna get raised off you draw". This is something I didn't understand before playing cash games and now find very obvious but difficult to define.