river c/r 200NL

CO and i have a little history at this table... after he had shown he was 3betting very light i 4bet him once and he folded. CO has been playing aggressively. I have not been caught bluffing nor been exceptionally aggressive.

yes/no?

edit: cbet seemed good at the time with 2 backdoor draws and no one being super aggressive. thoughts?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (6 handed) Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

CO ($199)
Button ($403.25)
SB ($35)
BB ($71.15)
UTG ($231.10)
Hero ($260)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 9, 8.
1 fold, Hero raises to $8, CO calls $8, Button calls $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($33) 8, Q, 5 (4 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $21, CO calls $21, Button folds, BB folds.

Turn: ($75) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: ($75) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $54, Hero raises to $186

i dont really like this. i doubt he calls you very light on the flop with 2 players behind, and the only real draw (76) got there. what are you trying to rep?

i kind of like this. he should have bet the turn if he had a set or straight but that doesnt mean he will without knowing him better. also do you think he is going to 3bet QJ/KQ pre or no?

this seems really bad because

- ur range to get to this river is really wide
- you probably would have bet a fd on turn
- its not a super good spot to c/r turn for value

renton you are a habitual good poster

Did you plan this bluff?, or did u think..hey ..he's just betting cause i checked two streets..im gonna raise.

I agree with Renton that this line doesn't make much sense. You're repping a flush but you would have very likely barreled your FD on the turn.

I think these type of c/r's are much better when villain is the aggressor on the flop, and then check behind turn for pot control, and are going for some kind thin value on the river again.

I'm also not sure what you think your opponent is betting cause it looks like a flush to me.

thanks guys for replying, extra thanks for the detailed replies renton and griffey.

fwiw my thinking was that he didn't have a strong hand once he didn't bet the turn and it was unlikely he would have a flush. i figured he was value betting a queen.

Meh, I've been getting away with a lot of bluffs that don't really rep much of anything against players who can't get very far past level 1 (but they know how to raise pre-flop and bet-the-flop(tm))

love it

obv you don t have to do shit like this to kill these games...

oh yeah btw all of these sensible intelligent replies (nutsinho, rent, max) don t really factor in the typical reg's thought process at nl200 imo

Originally Posted by Genitruc

oh yeah btw all of these sensible intelligent replies (nutsinho, rent, max) don t really factor in the typical reg's thought process at nl200 imo

tarped

Originally Posted by Massimo

I'm also not sure what you think your opponent is betting cause it looks like a flush to me.

villain had QThh

omg you got him to fold the 3rd nuts

high five

oh and geni to explain my crypticness (re: tarped), I'd like to inform you that 1/2 players handread.

Originally Posted by Genitruc

omg you got him to fold the 3rd nuts

high five

did i miss something?

i dont think he folded

Originally Posted by Genitruc

omg you got him to fold the 3rd nuts

high five

loool

all i m saying renton is that I think you are absolutely right that 200 regs read hands and your comments about how we "should" be playing our hand if we got to the river with a flush

but, in my experience, plenty of regs, when faced with the riv cr will think

-oh shit maybe he missed his check-bomb on the turn w something like AKhh

-omg I have less than top 2 and I don t have the balls to call

also, most nl200 regs don't give other players at their limits credit for creative plays like this one without some sort of wacky history

for instance, what do you think most of the replies would have been if we had been villain in this hand and we had bet the riv with KQ with Kh?

How many ppl would have said "snap fold"?

that's why I think it's a more successful play than many reasonable and hand-reading posters might think

either way, if you are trying to improve and move up to levels where anyone with a brain would tear you up for making plays like this, you obviously need to get into the habit of not making these plays.

Kind of agree with both Renton and Geni, nice thread.