Running 37/22... is this over the edge?

Currently I'm running 37/22 at short handed nl $50. I'm doing very well so far. I'm really confident in my hand reading. Is this on the edge of spewing or is this just mastery?

id say once you get past about 30 and 20, then you sir, have gone too far.

I've played my fair share of 6-MAx and from my observations I'm playing my best and running at my highest BB/100 when I'm rougly 26/17.

My brother (handle=Genitruc) has been cleaning up 6Max over a relatively small sample size, but he's running at like 25/20 or something like that. I think if anything these numbers are on the high end of solid Lag shorthanded play. If anything you should be a spot below them. This is all at NL 200/400 though, so take that into account.

I think Renton would agree with this assessment though. To make a widesweeping generalization, if your VPIP is 30 then maybe you should consider tightening up OOP in terms of raising and calling raises.

You're pushing it, but I find myself running in those ranges myself sometimes when the table conditions will take it. I'm assuming this isn't over a big sample size. Don't tighten up for the sake of it, just make sure you're still able to shift down a gear or two when you need to.

Playing that many hands is going to make you swing a lot. You're also going to have to go deep with weaker hands and have a very good feel for when to fire the 2nd and 3rd barrel.

You can run over a full table with players conditioned to see hands, short-handed folks will need to see 2nd and 3rd bets more often to give you credit for much.

...as a result of this you'll swing a lot more.

I just realized i've made an error in my post to make the answer unclear.
I play 5 max not 6
I ran 37/22 probably because i've been playing deep stacked games with deep stacks. However, i probably run about 34/20.
The VPIP average at the games I am playing is over 50%, with avg. pots of $15+.

Now answer?

Also if you play like that all the time people will start realizing it and you're reads suffer since you don't know if they're just playing back at you with crap or not, and it'll be real high variance. Don't get me wrong though, it can be profitable for sure especially at weaker/tighter tables, but I think you'll need to learn to switch it up to tag when people play back at you enough.

Originally Posted by Ravageur

I've played my fair share of 6-MAx and from my observations I'm playing my best and running at my highest BB/100 when I'm rougly 26/17.

My brother (handle=Genitruc) has been cleaning up 6Max over a relatively small sample size, but he's running at like 25/20 or something like that. I think if anything these numbers are on the high end of solid Lag shorthanded play. If anything you should be a spot below them. This is all at NL 200/400 though, so take that into account.

I think Renton would agree with this assessment though. To make a widesweeping generalization, if your VPIP is 30 then maybe you should consider tightening up OOP in terms of raising and calling raises.

Your bro was running 44/33 at my table and was spewing horribly.

Originally Posted by Renton

id say once you get past about 30 and 20, then you sir, have gone too far.

you are 65/41 in my DB.

you would be better off if you tightened up and added more tables, that way you can make more $ per hour. thats what its all abuot, right?

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Your bro was running 44/33 at my table and was spewing horribly.[/quote]

pwned.

Him running 44/33 for small stints is probably standard. I looked at his stats and he is indeed crushing the game...we'll see if it holds up

Alright, hijack over. Moral of story is : find a comfort zone! (and expand that comfort zone slowly) 44/33 prob isn't very comfortable for most.

I like when he bluffs into top set, plz tell him to do so more. Tell him to make me run good too.

lol, last time I ran into someone who called me out...

"I can't believe you insta-called that"

wow 44/33? sweet I'm SUUUUUCH a laggtard for losing set-over-set to your AA w my QQ (if I'm thinking of the same hand you are ; not even sure what your party handle is)...

Trip keep hitting top set and pwning me... more rakeback for both of us


to OP : Renton has posted a few times about his varying stats depending on table conditions.

Not sure about a link but I remember him saying something like playing anywhere from 16/9 (for a table of laggtards) to like 28/19 for a table of nut-campers. This is the best advice imo. Learn how to play within that range effectively and you'll have a tough time finding a "bad" table .

fwiw I run at like exactly 27-22 over about 15k hands (nothing for a sample, i admit) ptracker, mainly 3 and 4-tabling on P rima . This has been steady even if you I break my stats down to 100-hand samples. I'm tightening up in order to play more tables effectively on p arty... (just ask trip!).

no, u had 36s on some hand

Originally Posted by IowaSkinsFan

I just realized i've made an error in my post to make the answer unclear.
I play 5 max not 6
I ran 37/22 probably because i've been playing deep stacked games with deep stacks. However, i probably run about 34/20.
The VPIP average at the games I am playing is over 50%, with avg. pots of $15+.

Now answer?

I'd like to reiterate this post as it seems like no one read it. Does this change anything?
Also, to answer gabe's question I play at paradise so four table is the max.

What I said earlier is still the advice i d give

5 max as opposed to 6 max... maybe boost 2% in the pfr and vpip stat-ranges I mentioned but that's about it.

If you're playing deepstacked vs good ppl who can fold it's not all that worthwhile to see a lot of flops since you won t get paid off.

If they can't fold a pair seeing lots of flops is great

Originally Posted by Fnord

lol, last time I ran into someone who called me out...

"I can't believe you insta-called that"

sorry to hijack, but Fnord, i think you might have found the caption to your new avatar.

Insta-Call?

Originally Posted by Genitruc

What I said earlier is still the advice i d give

5 max as opposed to 6 max... maybe boost 2% in the pfr and vpip stat-ranges I mentioned but that's about it.

If you're playing deepstacked vs good ppl who can fold it's not all that worthwhile to see a lot of flops since you won t get paid off.

If they can't fold a pair seeing lots of flops is great

okay so i shouldn't run such high vpip.
With deepstacked games however, if i believe i can outplay my opponents postflop, loosening up is standard right?