Quote Originally Posted by Ultimate George
Quote Originally Posted by euphoricism
I dont see anyone I beat calling a shove. Their range from the blinds is maaaaybe JJ+/AK and really discounting the AK. And I just dont see any folding equity either.

Now if button had been the reraiser I could see a shove because his range is significantly wider.
FOLD PREFLOP THEN WHEN HE PUTS IN THE 3-BET IF YOU'RE GOING TO THINK LIKE THIS.

These situations are going to come up if you're shortstacking. You play big pots with big hands. If you ran into QQ/AA here, FUCK IT, it's a half buy-in, move on, next hand sir.
What would the play be if I was fullstacked? It would have to be along the lines of play for set value because he's repping a rather strong hand. If that is the case, losing half a stack on the flop has to be pure spewage since even if we were full stacked we'd be folding the flop without improving. Since I dont have enough money behind to play for set value, clearly that can't be the correct move.

So we're left with exactly two moves, push or fold preflop. But since we've established that he's got a better hand the majority of times (or we wouldn't play for set value fullstacked, we'd 4bet or push), I believe sans "he's a maniacal moron" read, this -has- to be a fold.

The only factor that I believe would change this analysis is his reraise range from the blinds, and I just don't think I can entertain the idea that he is re-raising two opponents from the blinds with a larger range than I have given him.