Quote Originally Posted by Silly String
Quote Originally Posted by |~|ypermegachi
Quote Originally Posted by euphoricism
If you do this with a weaker hand, you're going to be all in with the worst of it, and this makes me money.
how much?
Ding, ding, ding. Linchpin to the argument, right there.
How so? This is nonsensical. If I'm misunderstanding, someone please explain it to me. 20bb is 20bb, and it doesnt matter if its 2NL or 2k NL. Arguing that shortstacking doesnt make much money is just... silly... I guess I just don't understand the argument. I'm a 50NL player. I get my ass handed to me at full stacked 100NL. But I'm making steady profit of 1-2 buyins a day at 200NL. How is that not making much money, particularly to a guy who only possesses 50NL skill?

Then you add 1ptbb/100 of RB to it. That 1ptbb/100 at 200NL is 4ptbb/100 at 50NL. I have almost the same winrate I did at 50nl in
rakeback alone!

and euph, for the record ur post about "fold equity not being the crux of shortstacking" or w/e is almost completely false, as a shortie when someone opens to more than 2 BB ur only options r shove/fold and unless u have JJ-AA AKs its better for u when they fold. oh shit, thats FE.
You're basically saying, "If someone raises preflop and you reraise with [insert shitty hand here] you would prefer they fold." Well. Yeah. I guess thats true. But we don't actually *do* that.

There are of course some places that FE is nice. Theres often a limped pot, 4 or 5 handed, I shove my Axs from the SB and take the pot down. Thats nice. Free money is nice. But thats not the crux of the strategy and you know it.