The shorty c/minraise allin

I hate this, and its a problem I get a LOT at my stakes. The "default" buyin is only like 15bb, so people are playing extremely shortstacked.

Hand inevitably goes something like I raise preflop with facecards. Its HU. Flop is rags. Pot is like $3. Villain has maybe $6 left. He checks flop. If I check, they donk turn all-in with most anything. If I cbet, he either c/r's allin with any piece which leaves me drawing real thin, or he folds when hes got nothing. Either way, he's got the best of me.

I'll post a hand the next time it happens, but Its frustrating the hell out of me.

I *always* check if I hit the flop vs a shortie.

Stop playing lots of hands without showdown value against shortie.

If you c-bet AJ on a rag flop, calling the min-raise is a no-brainer.

To echo jack and fnord... tighten up your pre-flop raising range when shorties have limped in ahead of you. Check a lot of flops, regardless of whether you hit. Never fold to a minraise AI. If he donks the turn and you have A high, fold and take his money later.

Originally Posted by zook

Check a lot of flops, regardless of whether you hit.

I think this is bad, but there is a lot of "It Depends" here.

Originally Posted by jackvance

I *always* check if I hit the flop vs a shortie.

It doesn't hurt too much to let a shorty draw out on you, so that is an interesting concept.

Originally Posted by Silly String

Originally Posted by jackvance

I *always* check if I hit the flop vs a shortie.

It doesn't hurt too much to let a shorty draw out on you, so that is an interesting concept.

Your range figures to have him beat on just about any flop. Hence, checking is pretty bad unless you're pretty sure it will get him to shove crap. I like to be the one sticking it in as it gives you more ways to make money.

Originally Posted by Silly String

Originally Posted by jackvance

I *always* check if I hit the flop vs a shortie.

It doesn't hurt too much to let a shorty draw out on you, so that is an interesting concept.

The ones I'm talking about are when their remaining stack is close to potsize when they call your raise. They like to stick it in with any piece of the flop or if you show weakness, so you better check when you hit, shove river if they keep checking back..

Originally Posted by jackvance

Originally Posted by Silly String

Originally Posted by jackvance

I *always* check if I hit the flop vs a shortie.

It doesn't hurt too much to let a shorty draw out on you, so that is an interesting concept.

The ones I'm talking about are when their remaining stack is close to potsize when they call your raise. They like to stick it in with any piece of the flop or if you show weakness, so you better check when you hit, shove river if they keep checking back..

If you're playing a tight range against them (which you should be) then folding for a PSB against shorties is a mistake. I'm sticking it in regardless if I'm the one intitiating it or they push into me.

I like to check if I hit and shove if I miss. Exploitable as hell but there is not a short stack in the world that will pick up on it.

Originally Posted by DaNutsInYoEye

If you're playing a tight range against them (which you should be) then folding for a PSB against shorties is a mistake. I'm sticking it in regardless if I'm the one intitiating it or they push into me.

Ofcourse, but I also want them to bluff at it, which is a large part of the value.